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I was going to search the forum but it is down. I am shopping for a wing and I found an interesting one, 2003 Audio only, with low miles (4200), but the wheels are a real mess. I don't think the guy has cleaned them in 5 years. They have some whitish hard particles as well as small pits etc... Could these be polished out by an amateur or would they have to be professionally polished. I don't want to buy this and then find out the only way to save the wheels is to have them chromed?
Would it be worth $12,000 with the wheels in this shape?
uga
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I think you would be able to make the wheels much better, but not perfect. Either way, with that mileage, I don't think the price is bad, but maybe I'm out of touch. I'm sure someone will correct me.
 
Welcome to being a GL1800 owner, the wheels are the pits, literally!

They can be sanded to remove the trash and pits, them polished. I use a Scotchbrite ball in a drill then follow up with a Mother's polishing ball and polish.

Going to powder coat this winter to reduce maintenance.
 
Wet sanding will do the trick. Start out with 600 or 800 grit then go to 1200 or 1500 then the final wet sand with 2000 grit. After the last sanding wash off really good and use a polish to seal the aluminum with. Bushes polish works well as does Mothers and Boms aluminum polish. Use plenty of water when doing the wet sanding. I used a garden hose with a soft constant stream to do mine. When they were finished they looked like chrome (for about a week).
 
Ok.....heres a different view

One of the great things about the GL1800 is the uncoated raw aluminum wheels. :shock:

You just hit them with some light grit sandpaper, then a scotchbrite, then some compound and they
will clean up great.

A coat of wax and clean only with car soap. or better yet plexus or a detailing spray and they will stay that way. Never use a wheel cleaner, de-greaser, or a spray on cleaner that strips the wax.

I hate clear coated or powder coated rims because they always get messed up and chipped. Even
when a shop messed up my spare rear rim during a tire change a little polishing made it just like new.
Can't do that with a coated wheel.

Don't worry about it, if its a good deal an afternoons work will fix the neglect.
 
Or, you do what I did. Have them powder coated. A fraction of the cost of chrome and you never have to worry about them again.

Burt

A 'Veteran' -- whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve -- is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up to and including his life.'
 
Sakes man get a grip..
Think of all the time you'll be wasting cleang them wheels over and over again!
Get the things Chromed,You're spending 12 grand on a bike,what is another $500 for nice chrome wheels that clean up in 15 minutes..

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I personally think that $12K for a 2003 even with low miles is NO DEAL!

Especially when 2008 Premium audio's were going for $16,799 back in 3/08

If the wheels were not taken care of...what else wasn't taken care of? You may be buying something that will cost a LOT of $$$$$ to bring up to where you should be getting it for better $$$$ somewhere else.

Some people think just because they buy something they like...like chrome that when it sells they will get top $$$$ for it. NOT SO!! Usually USED parts no matter how new they are are still used and not new and should only be purchased as used...NOT NEW at NEW prices.

I would look around for another GW say in the 2005-2008 and get one that isn't beaten to death.

Just my honest opinion
 
I don't know about Georgia, but here in Cali, $12000 wouldn't be a bad price.

Worst case, take-off rear rims are available all the time on this forum or E-Bay for $100-150 with a tire. Fronts not very available, but new are around $300.
 
powdercoat the rims, get the equipment to change your own tires, so the shop doesnt mess up the rims and in the long run will save quite a bit-depending on how much you ride and whether you like to do your own maintenance.
Andy
 
Truth be told Pictures would help me decide.

Hard to believe they that bad with such low miles, unless parked along side of garage outside.

Are you just over picky ? picky is good just asking.

What I have read it is either stuff on the road in winter months salt etc. or brake pad material both do harm to the wheels. With that low of miles , bike might still be worth that kinda cash.

Otherwise think of how the owner took care of it.

But again with such low miles unless he over reved it every day , I don't see where you could go wrong.

even if never changed oil 4200 miles is not allot on a wings oil.
 
Well one thing for sure - you have to "keep after" those wheels. The rear is the worst. Mine is pitted so I just put it in the center stand and kick it in gear (engine running) and use a brillo pad from the kitchen. Doesn't get rid of the pits but shines it OK. Last time I changed the rear tire I used the spare rim and spent a day polishing out the other one. Started with 240 then 320 then 500 then 800 then 1600 and finished up with Mother's aluminum polish. Took me all day but it now looks like chrome. Probably should have had it powder coated or chromed. Was a lot of work.
 
i paid 13.300 for my 03 in sept. of 03. WITH UNDER 800 MI ON IT :shock: i got real lucky , we were at a A&W , waiting so we picked up the paper laying there . it was the only bike for sale in that paper. . AND WE DONT GET THAT PAPER . so i called and was the first on on the machine . so i got first dibs
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Andy Cserny said:
powdercoat the rims,
If the rims are really bad, they might not be able to powdercoat them. My '03 rims have never been cleaned (ok, maybe once or twice) and when attempting to powdercoat them, they outgassed. This causes the coating to bubble. Too many miles with too many impurities in the alumnum causes it.

Powder coating company tried about three times, but the rims were too far gone and they blistered every time...
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LD_RIDER said:
[quote="Andy Cserny":3nixdm22]powdercoat the rims,
If the rims are really bad, they might not be able to powder coat them. My '03 rims have never been cleaned (ok, maybe once or twice) and when attempting to powdercoat them, they outgassed. This causes the coating to bubble. Too many miles with too many impurities in the alumnum causes it.

Powder coating company tried about three times, but the rims were too far gone and they blistered every time...
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With all due respect,You needed to find another shop to powder coat your wheels..
I know a guy who does powder coating in his garage with a modified home electric oven (he built a bigger shroud for it to get lager pieces in it)
You have to pre heat a part after proper cleaning to out gas it properly,or you will end up with your results..
We tested this out several times..

Problem is some shops don't want to bother to do powder coating correctly..And it is more expensive because of it being more time consuming..

There have been many guys here that have had their wheels Powder Coated and they looked great!!
 
Rocky said:
With all due respect,You needed to find another shop to powder coat your wheels..

You have to pre heat a part after proper cleaning to out gas it properly,or you will end up with your results..
We tested this out several times..
You are correct, Sir. (but you already knew that).

Ask around.... what steps they go thru in their process. If it doesn't include pre-heating then look for another shop that does.
 
The guy does $50,000 show bikes, including full-on restorations. He knows how to powdercoat :wink: The problem is in the substrate of the castings. Yes, <sometimes> heating the wheel to a temperature above the cure temps of the powder will release those impurities. Sometimes it doesn't. Tried three different times, same results. Didn't want to go too high above the cure temps for these wheels, since there is a possiblity of heat induced cracks developing. Not an issue with steel parts, but with aluminum castings it is a <possibility>.
A356-T6 Aluminum alloy is cured at only 325 deg f. Exposing that alloy to temps much above say, 350 or 400 degrees for as little as ten minutes will compromise strength. The thought of a front wheel crack while in the middle of an 80mph decreasing radius turn led to my decision to keep the temps regulated and the number of heat cycles low.

Cratering, or blistering or whatever you want to call this is not common, but does indeed happen. Usually with aluminum castings and especially if they are full of impurities. Five years on calcium dusted roads (calcium is reactive with aluminum) will cause impurities to leach into these porous castings, making powdercoating nearly impossible. Using fine steel wool to clean the wheels impregnated steel particles into the rims, further compromising the powdercoating process. To suggest that <every> aluminum wheel can be powdercoated if the coater <knows what he is doing> is not really accurate. A professional coater knows when to throw in the towel. An amateur doesn't.

The typical Goldwinger does indeed clean his wheels occassionally, I have cleaned them maybe three times in five years. The typical Goldwinger doesn't dare take his bike out in the winter, or on salt and cloride infested roads. I do. Those decisons led to the tragic results of having really, really, nasty looking rims.... :wink:

Good news is that for a mere $345 I bought two brandy new factory rims.....Should be good for another five years of abuse!
 
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