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Every vehicle I've owned has its own voodoo for music played from USB drives. The Goldwing is no different. After messing with this for a few hours, I got to where I'm happy, and am writing in case this is helpful to others. I know that some of the info below is technical, and not everyone is a computer geek. But I hope that it's a good enough guide for the computer-savvy and those with computer-savvy friends/family.

I'm using a Patriot Rage 3 128GB USB 3 drive formatted using NTFS on a 2021 DCT non-tour. The USB stick is plugged into the USB socket in the left storage compartment. I tried one of those tiny little Sandisk/Samsung drives, but it was molasses slow and, besides, didn't work in the 'bike or a couple of cars I tried.

When playing from USB, the 'bike cares only about the name of the folder that your music files are in and the data in the music files that has the track titles. It ignores everything else. The name of the file may be anything.mp3, but the title in that file may be something different. The GW plays the files in alphabetical order of titles (not file names).

This is annoying (to me, at least). I want to browse by artist, album within artist, and then play the album tracks in the order the artist intended.

To do this, first I use only one level of folders, to maximize the number of albums I can have; the 'bike recognizes up to 512 folders. I name each folder on my USB drive as "artist-album", .e.g. "Bruce Springsteen-Human Touch". I change the embedded title in each file, not the file name, to, e.g. "1-02 Soul Driver", "1-03 57 Channels (And Nothin' on". The "1" in "1-02" is to accommodate multidisc albums, so that, in a double/triple album, the tracks play in the correct order. The first track on the second disc would have a title starting with "2-01". Again, the filename is irrelevant; it's the title embedded in the music file that counts.

Doing all this manually would suck. Fortunately, there are multiple applications that will do this for you. I used MP3tag, a free application (but the author asks for donations if you find it useful..well worth a few $). Assuming that your music files are already "tagged", i.e. have artist, album, track numbers, titles somewhere in the embedded data, you can run an MP3tag "action" to get to the desired result.

In my case, my ripped CDs are in a structure where each track is in a file with the name, say, "\Artist\Album\1-01 song.flac". I converted them into MP3s in a new folder for the 'bike. Regardless of what format your music files are in, you can use software like MediaHuman File Converter to copy them to your USB drive and convert them to MP3s that the 'bike can play. Then I use this MP3tag Action to adapt the files to the 'bike:

Format value "TITLE":$left(%_filename%,4) %title%
Format value "_DIRECTORY""M:\%albumartist%-%album%\ (M:\ is the USB stick holding the files. Yours is likely different)
Adjust cover "Original, 500px" (The 'bike ignores large album cover art)

The action maybe different depending on how your music files are named right now. I use "1-01 song.mp3". If you use, say, "01 song.mp3" the first line above in the action would be

Format value "TITLE":$left(%_filename%,2) %title%

and you'd lose the ability to differentiate between discs within a double/triple album, or maybe you use different naming for your folders.

It takes the 'bike less than 5 minutes to recognize the 500 or so albums on my drive. They don't show up immediately. Below are the results on my 'bike. Hope this helps!



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How long of a process is, say, doing 1 album?

I have thousands of songs on my USB thumb drive and hundreds of albums.

I see you set things up when you're ripping an album, but would one be able to do what you show with the songs already on the drive?

I don't want to re-rip my albums (if that's what I have to do). All my music lives on external hard drives. Would I be able to import an album from the HDD and work on it using your method?

I think you might be the first that's posted a way to get albums to play in the proper order using the USB drive.
 
Every vehicle I've owned has its own voodoo for music played from USB drives. The Goldwing …
Your write up is fantastic. I appreciate you putting this together. I always have issues with my USB music but just lived with it instead of taking the time to figure out a better way. You saved me the trouble. Thank you.
 
Scrap the idea of using the bike's USB for you music as it's so antiquated and kluggy that you'd get better sound quality rubbing two sticks together like a caveman rubbing two sticks together to make fire. Use your Android phone with Samsung Music and avoid all the misery. I gave up on Honda's crap system long ago and never looked back.
 
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How long of a process is, say, doing 1 album?

I have thousands of songs on my USB thumb drive and hundreds of albums.

I see you set things up when you're ripping an album, but would one be able to do what you show with the songs already on the drive?

I don't want to re-rip my albums (if that's what I have to do). All my music lives on external hard drives. Would I be able to import an album from the HDD and work on it using your method?

I think you might be the first that's posted a way to get albums to play in the proper order using the USB drive.
You certainly don't need to rerip your albums. The process I outlined works on existing files. In my case I was changing an elaborate folder structure on my PC, e.g. "D:\Pink Floyd\Dark Side of the Moon\1-01 Time.flac" into the simple folder\track structure that the 'bike wants, on a USB drive.

I made a copy of my music files on my PC and processed (automatically, with MP3tag) about 500 albums with about 8000 tracks in 10-15 minutes on the PC. After checking them, I copied them to a USB stick. I strongly recommend copying the files off your USB drive onto a computer, and making the changes to them with MP3tag or other software that you prefer on that computer. You can then check that the folder names are what you expected, e.g. "Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon", and, with MP3tag or even just looking at the file properties in Windows Explorer or MacOS Finder, to ensure that the song titles are when you expected, e.g. "1-01 Time". The tools that I outlined are not necessarily straightforward and it's easy to mess up your folder structure and/or file data. If everything looks good on the computer, you can then copy the files to a new USB drive....they're so cheap these days that it's worth having the extra copy anyway for safety.

If the files on your USB drive are your only copy, I would never suggest trying to automatically reformat the folder layout. It's just too easy to mess it up, and I did exactly that on my first few tries while learning the MP3tag Action tools. You can experiment first by copying a few albums from your USB drive to your computer, and seeing if the automation works for you. The action I wrote changes the embedded title from the song title to the first few letters of the music filename followed by the title. So, with a filename of "1-01 Time.mp3" and an embedded title of "Time", the Action changes the embedded title to "1-01 Time". If you run that Action again, it'll change it to "1-01 1-01 Time". In other words, I suggest experimenting without potentially damaging your main USB drive.
 
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Would I be able to import an album from the HDD and work on it using your method?
Sorry, I failed to notice your question above; my mistake. I would suggest making a copy of the files and working on that, because it's so easy to make a mistake, which would be disastrous on your main copy of your music. Ripping CDs gets old after the first hundred or so....

To be clear, you point MP3tag at the folder that contains the music files you're wanting to work on, and it shows you all the files in that folder and the folders below that. You should work on a copy of files and see if the results match your expectations, and then copy the modified folders an tracks to a USB drive.
 
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I have half my songs in MP3 and half in MP4. Any free easy to use programs that will change from 4 to 3?
Yes and no. If your MP4s are purchased downloads from, say, iTunes, they may be copy protected and will only play from within iTunes. This copy protection went away several years agfo, so only old files are protected. They can't be converted. If the MP4s are rips from your CDs or purchased without copy protection, you can convert them. On a PC, MediaHuman Audio Converter will do it. On a Mac, iTunes will do the conversion.

One small note: an MP4 is already "lossy compressed": the music data has been processed to reduce file sizes and that's done by literally throwing away much of the music data. The human ear doesn't notice or barely notices the difference, unless your a crazed audiophile like me. Now that file storage is plentiful and cheap, lossy compression is used less. The effect, if you can hear it, is unlikely to make a difference on a motorcycle, which isn't exactly a great audio environment. When you convert an MP4 to an MP3, that process throws away more of the music data but, again, you're probably not going to hear the difference while riding.
 
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Scrap the idea of using the bike's USB for you music as it's so antiquated and kluggy that you'd get better sound quality rubbing two sticks together like a caveman rubbing two sticks together to make fire. Use your Android phone with Samsung Music and avoid all the misery. I gave up on Honda's crap system long ago and never looked back.
You are, of course, correct, in that using Android Auto or Apple Carplay is by far the easiest and best integrated solution, and that's before you consider the much superior navigation obtained that way, too. Or simply playing music off your 'phone. I wanted to solve the USB drive problem for my own satisfaction and because so many others have complained about it on the forums, s'all.
 
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@FlyingBear your example shows the album artwork. My understanding is that album artwork won't show up with .MP3 format files.

How did you get the album artwork to show up?
The image is that of an MP3 file playing off my USB drive. The cover image is embedded in every music file when I rip them off my CDs; pretty much every ripper does that without you asking. However, the image is usually quite large, say 1400x1400 pixels, and I think that's a problem for the Honda. I've had the same issue on a few cars. One of the "Actions" I perform automatically on my files converts the embedded cover images to a maximum size of 500x500.
 
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dang, that's a lot of music.
I'm old and have been buying CDs since 1982. In recent years I bought wholesale lots of CDs off eBay. You can buy, say, 1,000 CDs for about $200, throw away the endless Christmas compilations and other dross (some of which is hilariously bad), and generally retain (in my case) 300-400 that I actually want to own, and maybe 200 I'll listen to and like. That's a buck a CD and a perfectly legal way to build a large library. The new streaming services are, I admit, making me abandon most of my ripped music: between Amazon Music, Apple Music, Qobuz, and Tidal, you can access almost any music for not much money per year. With unlimited data plans on 'phones, they work even on a 'bike.
 
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I just plugged my Ipod into the usb in the trunk and it worked!
There is no way I could do all that with my non existent tech know how!
That is a very good way to enjoy your music on the 'bike, with no artist/album/track issues. The iPod browsing interface is still one of the best. I resurrected an old iPod and bought a new battery for it but it lives in a car. The battery change was, well, not the simplest or most pleasurable thing I've ever tried....
 
I have half my songs in MP3 and half in MP4. Any free easy to use programs that will change from 4 to 3?
If anyone asks questions on this thread, it would help to know if you're on a PC or Mac.

I have a Mac and XLD will convert these for you. And it's free. You can batch load. I use it all the time to convert my music (which is typically hi-res flacs) to mp3 (to use on my Goldwing). I would never listen to "empty3" normally.

XLD download | SourceForge.nethttps://sourceforge.net › ... › Sound/Audio
 
If anyone asks questions on this thread, it would help to know if you're on a PC or Mac.

I have a Mac and XLD will convert these for you. And it's free. You can batch load. I use it all the time to convert my music (which is typically hi-res flacs) to mp3 (to use on my Goldwing). I would never listen to "empty3" normally.

XLD download | SourceForge.nethttps://sourceforge.net › ... › Sound/Audio
Yes you are correct, I should have been more specific. I have a PC. I spent many hours ripping my CD collection using Itunes years ago and somewhere in the process I changed the settings so half my songs were MP3 and half MP4 which is OK when using a little ipod to play music but not for other situations.

Thanks for everyone's suggestions and sorry for the thread drift.
 
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