Really cool ... got an ADG job in where both clips and the clip cover are all in one piece and the case does not have to be split
Probably what happens is that the ADG begins to wear and fail from within. When that happens, an internal vibration begins to set up causing a tendancy for the clips to want to back out. They are inserted into a machined groove and are also under a spring pressure. In otherwords, during assembly, the ADG is pressed together exposing their grove, then the clips are installed, then the pressure released. The clip cover, holds the clips together so they won't want to come out of their grove. The vibration begins to seporate the clips and eventually the clip cover gives way. There is really no way to know a head of time that the ADG is beginning to fail. It is my understanding they all do from years 01-05. Some of the 06 and 07 too. Honda probably corrected the problem in 08 with their latest design.I am not real clear as to what happens when a GW needs an ADG job. I understand when the clips fail and the ADG is causing noise by moving back and forth and the clips have to accounted for.
But how does one know that the problem is the ADG and not just the broken clips? Or that the problem was JUST the broken clips and the ADG was still OK?
The clip cover ... I agree ... the metal is hardly stronger the foil.Greg-That clip should of been made if Titanium.Then it would never of failed.The metal is to soft for the application.That guy got lucky.:thumbup:
Greg,Early symptoms are feeling an engin lugging noise as if the rider is starting out in a higher gear then 1st and/or at idle and 0 mph, feeling an up and down movement in the bike. Like riding slow on an egg shaped tire ... but you are not moving.
You may not feel it and don't know of others that have. I can tell you it is gone after the ADG was replaced as well as the marble sound. So I am going to make the assumption that it was related to a bad ADG.Greg,
Could you please expand on these symptom descriptions a little bit more?
I have what I call a low-pitched howling noise starting out in first when just letting the clutch out. It could be described as a lugging noise, I guess. Noise stops as soon as you get moving. (This is on a new-to-me 2006 with 56k miles on it.) Rides and drives fine other than that noise on starting off in first.
It's the second symptom you describe, the up-and-down movement of the bike at idle, that I don't quite understand.
Thanks very much!
Thanks Greg,At a stop, engine at idle, I had a noticable subtle out-of-balance feeling that felt related to engine idle speed. About 50 cycles per min. It was subtle and didn't feel normal. If you hear an engine noise that sounds like marbles, it would go away if RPMs are above maybe 1200rpms and there when turning the engine off as it reaches 0rpms
How many miles on your bike? When did the howling noise start? Is it there when on a center stand? Does it do it in nuetral?Thanks Greg,
I have no engine imbalance at all at idle that I can either hear or feel. Nothing like that. I also don't hear any "marble" noise like you mention.
I just have a slight temporary howling noise when just letting out the clutch in first.
I'm guessing my issue is not ADG related. At least I hope not!
Greg,How many miles on your bike? When did the howling noise start? Is it there when on a center stand? Does it do it in nuetral?
Rocky,Rocky said:What sounds like WingMan71 is describing is a normal "Clutch basket" sound as he pulls in the clucth lever.This noise can be heard more so in a garage or if it's dead quiet near the bike when idiling at start up,and then the clutch is pulled in as you are about to put it in first gear to roll out.
This sounds more like what I'm hearing on my bike. And I usually hear it when next to the garage or someplace else pretty quiet. No vibration either, just the howling noise. Once the clutch is all the way out and your moving, the noise is gone.
Greg, we're talking about a running engine.You mean we are talking about an eng that isn't even running?