If one doesn't want this done, are dealers under any obligation if bike is in for other service?
Why would you not want it done, its free and when they run your vin number it will show where the update has been done or not.
That is my concern. Several occasions that I am aware of that air was introduced into the system that the dealership was unable or unwilling to do what was necessary to resolve. (think Rocky bleed). I have a friend with that problem as we speak and the dealership that did his brake recall is the one I am considering for unrelated work.My brakes have not worked as well ever since they did the recall. If you go through the posts here you'll find it's not an uncommon complaint.
The rear brake shutter is elusive, and for most, if not all, it is never reproducible on any consistent basis. Per Honda, the only repair for it is to properly operate the m/c and use both brakes. Some have done various things thinking, and also reporting back here that they have corrected it, only to find out a summer or two later that it is still there.Had the brake recall done and got the rear brake shutter before I got home. Never did it before.
Can you share what you mean ???
Could you provide the documentation where Honda said that?...
by what Honda says really caused rear brake lock up (owners' maintenance neglect) ...
Certainly ... you will find that info on SB-23.Could you provide the documentation where Honda said that?
And if that was truly the cause what did Honda do to alleviate owner neglect as the issue? I understood that the fix is a new caliper with an enlarged, (return?), port and copious flushing.
i am not contending that not following the recommended replacement schedule of the brake fluid doesn't contribute to this problem but will make the counter argument that I don't recall ever flushing the brake fluid in any of my cars, trucks, vans or other motorcycles. I have never had even one caliper lock up on me. And I have always done my own brake pad replacement,(shoes too but drum brakes don't have calipers so don't fit in this discussion), and brake bleeding.During the month of November 2015, Honda will mail a letter to all owners of affected motorcycles informing them that their motorcycle is being recalled for a safety related defect, or that a remedy is now available for the previously identified safety defect. The customer will be made aware of the safety risk and advised to have a Honda dealer replace the secondary master cylinder.
Regarding never bleeding other vehicles ... with my doctor, my argument is similar ... why were my parents not over weight, and had no overweight health related problems, but I do. Quit telling me I need to change my diet and exercise too. However, even though my parents were not over weight, one could easily argue that it they too ate better and exercised, they would have lived a longer life. As with poor diet and exercise, poor maintenance puts various systems at a higher risk of failure.Thanks for providing that Greg, I must have skipped over that part.
I shoulda looked up the related SB's myself.
I am pleased to see in the next couple paragraphs after what you quoted that Honda didn't try to pretend it wasn't a defect.
i am not contending that not following the recommended replacement schedule of the brake fluid doesn't contribute to this problem but will make the counter argument that I don't recall ever flushing the brake fluid in any of my cars, trucks, vans or other motorcycles. I have never had even one caliper lock up on me. And I have always done my own brake pad replacement,(shoes too but drum brakes don't have calipers so don't fit in this discussion), and brake bleeding.
My guess is that placing the blame on the owners maintenance schedule adherence is just another way for Honda to avoid liability. I don't blame them, just don't believe them.