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Complete Suspension Fix For a Nickel.

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Attention all GL1800 owners: I have discovered a permanent fix to the front and rear suspension issues without replacing anything. It really works! I cannot take the credit for this, I found it in a forum written by Tom on 6-16-2008 and commented on by Sam Jones on 4-28-2010 on the GL1800 riders site. Out of everything I read, I wouldn't have discovered this solution without these two writers. I want to take a moment and thank them. I didn't understand the technical description at first, but after much thought (and some assistance from my wife), I now understand it and have successfully tested it.*Since I still see many people have not "solved" the OEM suspension issue, I decided to see if I can make it more clear.

First about me. I had a 2002 GL1800 and put 33K miles on it in two short riding seasons way up north. I just recently purchased a 2008 GL1800 with 5500 miles on it. I was surprised by the suspension, both front and back. The front fork was very stiff and I could feel every imperfection in the road in the form of vibration. I didn't remember having that issue on my 2002 GL1800. The front fork suspension hadn't changed as far as I knew since the first GL1800 in 2001.*

Anyway, out back, I used my previously gained knowledge the lower the preload setting was, the lighter the load it was supposed to carry (understood to be a softer setting) and a heavier load was a higher setting (or harder setting). I felt like I was able to adjust the rear preload for riding solo to about 10 to get the correct amount of comfort and to support my weight. It still felt rather harsh, but this setting seemed like the best I could do. When my wife and I started riding together (the whole reason I got the Wing), we choose 18 as the best setting. At 16 it felt like we were bottoming slightly on some bumps. At 20 the ride was too harsh. So 18 seemed like the best we could do. So I set memo 1 to 10 for solo and memo 2 to 18 for two up. Unfortunately, this still left us extremely disappointed in the suspension department. It was still too harsh of a ride, but I knew I couldn't set it lower (softer) because of the increased weight. So that night I spent about 4 hours reading everything I could find on the Internet about this issue. I found out how many others were having the same problem. I researched all of the possible solutions I could find online, which mostly concluded with replacing both the front and rear suspension. Then I found 2 possible solutions which addressed both ends of the bike. I began further investigation: 1. Disabling the anti-dive on the front fork; 2. Setting the rear shock preload to 25.

I understood all of the reasons to disable the anti-dive to correct the front fork response. I thought this could be accomplished without any detrimental effects to safety. I also noticed many people asking about why the left front fork seal always failed first and I believe the anti-dive high pressure constantly inside the left leg of the front fork could be the cause.

The technical explanation of how the rear shock*worked written by Tom intrigued me, but I struggled to understand his chain pulling example because his conclusions defied my logic and everything else I thought I already understood about the Wing pre-load settings. I changed it so I could understand it better. So here is my (non-engineer) rendering of his example:

Imagine if a 6 foot 1/2 inch chain were attached to the wall about waist high in front of you. You hold the unattached end with both hands facing the wall. You are very close to the wall and the chain sags in the middle down to the floor. As you back up and pull the slack out of the chain the resistance to you backing up increases and the chain begins to pull straight. Finally it is a struggle to even hold the chain tight enough to stay where you're standing.

Now imagine a shock above the chain*pushing downward in the center. The top of the shock is stationary and it has 3 inches of hydraulic and spring movement available. The shock is mounted so it's travel is contracted inward 1.5 inches when the chain is pulled as straight as possible. This leaves the shock with 1.5 inches of travel left. If you allow the shock to extend to it's full 3 inches of movement, it creates a sag in the chain and you step towards the wall some.

Now to understand a bump in the road, you would pull on the chain to simulate a bump. With the chain pulled tight there is only 1.5 inches of travel left and it is the hardest part of the travel distance. The bump would be felt harshly. Another bump simulation with a sag in the chain and the shock being fully extended to the full 3 inches of travel, the first part of your bump simulation is easier (softer) and as you pull harder the shock gets down to it's last inch or so of movement and it gets much harder to pull (harder). This demonstrates where to find the softer part of the suspension and where to find the harder part of the suspension travel. The first 1.5 inches of travel are softer than the final 1.5 inches. Now let's transfer this to the GL1800.

Think of the rear suspension like a chain that is hooked from the frame of your bike to the swingarm. In the center of the chain on the top is a shock. The top of the shock is stationary bolted to the frame. The bottom of the shock, which has the spring and hydraulic travel available, is attached to the center of this chain. (Remember we are on the bike now and it isn't really a chain.) When the preload setting on the GL1800 is at zero, the amount of downward pressure on the chain is least and the weight of the bike causes the chain to be pulled tight and the amount of travel available from the shock is about 1 to 1.5 inches. This is the hardest setting and supports the least amount of weight. The softest part of the shock's travel is already removed and it has the least ground clearance. Besides being the hardest setting it could easily bottom out if too much weight is on it. On setting 25, the amount of shock travel available increases to the max amount and a sag develops in the chain (not really) lifting the bike to compensate for the sag. Believe it or not this is the softest setting. When you hit a bump, you have the first 1.5 inches of movement which is easier (softer) and then the last 1.5 inches which is harder because you and the chassis needs to be protected from impact.

After I thought I understood everything I had researched, I took the next step.

So I took apart the anti-dive cylinder, drilled a nickel in the center, and put it over the 5 mm pin and put it back together. Then I set the preload setting to 25. In fact I held the the button up until the little motor stopped.

Then my wife and I went on a trip. WOW! Major difference. I called it a magic carpet ride. Smooth. Much better handling. WOW! I had to write and tell everybody. I hope I made sense.

I have ridden it solo and two up many times since this. I never change the setting from 25 and I have the smoothest and most comfortable bike on the road. The handling is better. The front does't vibrate at all and it feels much more planted in the corners. Everything I did improved the bike without a single contrary thing. I want everyone to know!*

The major questions I have left is why was it designed like this? Basically setting it on 25 and never touching it is like having no adjustment at all. Why doesn't Honda tell everybody?

Email me if you have questions. [email protected]
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Welcome to the board. Many good folks here. Nice write up on the suspension. I too read Tom Finch's explanation and found it intriguing, and like you a little difficult to understand. Glad you got your ride where you want it.
long explation but I'll go with comfort, when riding at 25 both wife and I feel like we're riding a hardtail chopper.:eek:4:Even when pulling a camper rarely go above 14.:yes1: My anti-dive works no reson to disconnect.
"humbleman", huh? Yeah, right.
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Being 6'6" and 325lbs. I have tryed every setting on my '08. The best for one up to me was 0-5 preload and 10-15 with the SO and loaded bags. Talk about a magic carpet ride, that does it for us. Glad you figured out a good ride for you two as well. I'll have to go along with the writer about the setting of 25....log wagon comes to mind. Have a wonderful THANKSGIVING:chicken::eat1:
long explation but I'll go with comfort, when riding at 25 both wife and I feel like we're riding a hardtail chopper.:eek:4:Even when pulling a camper rarely go above 14.:yes1: My anti-dive works no reson to disconnect.
Yep, My pappy use to say "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" Took me a long time to understand that.....but I've learned. :agree:
You would not have these problems if you were riding a BMW

Yep, My pappy use to say "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" Took me a long time to understand that.....but I've learned. :agree:
And if it is broke, instead of fixing it like new or using the warranty, make a lot of noise about it not being properly designed and hooning in an alternate unrelated repair (that goes for anti-dive, head bearings, worn out tires, worn out brake shoes, crush washers, windshields, seats and the GL1800 in general) ...
I have read about the nickel anti-dive trick and plan on trying it.

As far as your theory on the preload, I think you make some false assumptions. If the rear shock spring is straight wound (and I believe it is) there is no diffference between the first inch and the last.

For example, a 35 lb. straight wound spring will take 35 pounds to compress the spring one inch. An additional 35 lbs will be required to compress it another inch, and so on...

The preload does not change the spring's stiffness, it only allows you to ensure that the first bit of travel is not used up by the bike's weight (or yours).

All that said, if it works for you, ride on and enjoy.
Humbleman4, you have documented my exact experience. I also ride with a disabled anti-dive and 25 setting on the rear suspension, but I also use the Progressive front springs. These settings, with factory tire pressures, produced the best ride for me too. :agree:
Humbleman; y'er jest a'pull'n my chain, right?

orionengne; the OE rear spring is not linear. Its more of a dual rate affair and its a bit wimpy for sure. Very much the same statement covers the fronts.

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long explation but I'll go with comfort, when riding at 25 both wife and I feel like we're riding a hardtail chopper.
Same here. When I am one up, I usually have it at 15. I only ride one up. :shrug:
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The 1800 rear suspension is quite unique. The spring is linear but the linkage is not. Very well thought out.

Think of a chain tied to a fixed point like a wall. Just picture a 1/2" chain about 6 feet long and the anchor point on the wall is about waist high. You hold the other end in you hand and walk backward away from the wall so as to pull the chain out straight.

At first, when you are near the wall, there is very little opposition to you stepping backward as the chain hangs almost straight down.

As you approach the 5 foot distance, the chain starts to straighten out and really is hard to continue stepping backward. Interestingly, you can not pull the chain totally straight with your bare hands. As you struggle to hold the chain near straight, a 30 pound child can grab the chain in the middle and pull you back toward the wall.

However, as the chain sags, it soon reaches a point where you can oppose the 30 pound child's pulling down on the center of the chain.

The Wing suspension is a little like the chain hooked to the wall, but it only has two links in the chain.

The "wall" is the cross bar that the center stand mounts to, and the force tugging on the other end of the chain is the swing arm as the wheel is forced upward by load. The child's weight is representative of the fixed rate spring of the rear shock.

As the suspension setting approaches zero, the chain is allowed to approach straight because the opposition is moved up away from the chain center. The nearly straight chain quickly straightens further when the wheel is pushed up by a bump and soon the bump can not overcome the resistance of the spring because the two-link chain is too straight.

Now, on the otherhand, if the setting is at max or 25, the chain is forced to be in more of a state of sag, and the more the sag, the easier it is to "Move away from the wall." These two views are not to scale and are sketches.



Further, the section of the "chain" that is attached to the Swing Arm is made into a lever which rotates, compressing the suspension cartridge as it does, and since this lever rotation is resisted by the suspension cartridge, the resistance is maximum when the suspension cartridge centerline is farthest form the other end of the lever which occurs as the "chain" links approach straight, multiplying the increase in force as the swing arm reaches its upper limit of travel.

In the view below, forward it so the left. Sorry for the reversal but only photos I had.



This is truly and ingenious system which can be tailored by the engineers to achieve a large amount of non linearity, making it take a very high force to actually bottom the suspension out and preserving a low spring rate at the other end of the travel.

That is why the compliance is higher when running the suspension setting higher, yielding a better ride on the rough stuff.
__________________ This is from Tom Finch, hard to dispute in my opinion.
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After reading this thread, I decided to try it out.

I crossed some railroad tracks near my home going 60mph and the bike bounced and didn't track straight. When I put it at the 12 setting that I normally use, it was smooth. The bike is a 2010 with only 4,500mi on it so I guess that means that my suspension is still working as it was designed.

p.s. I weigh 215lb
You guys might want to bookmark this whole post. I search like heck to find the info in post # 12 and never did find it. And heck, I even know that Tom Finch originally authored it. Happy Thanksgiving.
You guys might want to bookmark this whole post. I search like heck to find the info in post # 12 and never did find it. And heck, I even know that Tom Finch originally authored it. Happy Thanksgiving.
I went to our advanced search site & typed in Tom Finch & found it on a thread dated 4-26-10. I had to copy it & paste because I did not know how else to refer to that site. I did remember reading it & knew it was by Tom. There was also another gentleman that gave us the same info, but I can't remember his name.
I went to our advanced search site & typed in Tom Finch & found it on a thread dated 4-26-10. I had to copy it & paste because I did not know how else to refer to that site. I did remember reading it & knew it was by Tom. There was also another gentleman that gave us the same info, but I can't remember his name.
I am glad you were able to find it. I have it bookmarked now. Thanks.
As much as I hated the anti-dive, I still would not disable it without upgrading the springs. Choose your brand..Traxxion, Progressive, Race-Tech .... whatever. Those stock springs are a little weak to begin with.

Cheers.
I agree with others that disabling the ADV is a bad move unless the front springs are changed out for heavier springs.

And I'm pretty sure Tom wasn't advocating that a preload of 25 would be the magic pill for everyone. If you don't get enough sag at 25 then the suspension will not provide a good ride as there wont be enough upward travel. I can only run 25 with a passenger. Without the extra weight, I run only 20 because if set at 25 by myself, I run out of upward travel on bumps and get bounced off the seat. At 20, however, I have enough sag and the setting works great.

So the idea is to run the highest preload you can on the Wing that still affords a sufficient amount of rear sag.
Some of you really take the cake. A new guy compliments all the info he finds here and takes the time for a good write up. This may help someone in the future. If it doesn't or they don't like it, it is reversable and only cost a nickel to find out.
Grumpy old men site could fit very well for some folks here.
I agree that most should upgrade the front springs, at least on the fist fork rebuild.

Happy Turkey Day!
As for your question and setting 25 and why do they not tell anyone?

I dunno, I have heard many ideas. One is they design the bike for all applications for the average rider. That really does not hold much fact.

In any event I used to keep mine on 25 and I just finally cut the plunger off the anti dive.

I never crashed an burned, bike worked fine. It cannot dive a whole lot as it settles two inches when you take it off the stand, and only has about an inch of travel left.

My idea is it is cheap, the cheap way to go. So that is what they did.

If you can ever afford the Traxxion , that is the way to go. That will make you smile. Some say not, no difference, I guess they are dead :roll: For me it is a whole different bike.

Fixing to go play in a bit, one has to watch that Traxxion, at least until you get out of town to the back roads. It is dangerous, those guys with the blue lights do not like you coming around a curve at 75 in town . Lol!!
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