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I've seen a lot of videos posted of a bike trip where the author has put together a nice compilation of videos, photos, & music. I've built a few myself and the music makes all the difference in the world. Problem is, I can't confirm anywhere that it's legal to post these compilations since they include music that's copyrighted - I think.

Can anyone say that there is some sort of "fair use" clause that allows us to post this kind of thing legally? Maybe as long as it's not for sale or download we're off the hook?
 

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as long as you don't "sell" the video and don't make any money off it. I don't see it as a problem.

on the other hand I'm not a lawyer :roll:

On top of that, I think there would be huge PR problem for an attorney to go after you.

besides, how many people would these Lawyers have to hire to chase down everyone making a personal videos and posting it to the net?
 

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I think the only lawyer you need to watch out for is the same one trying to sue Honda for the wobbles! When he finds out that the ambulance he is presently chasing doesnt get him any $$$$$ he will no doubt be on fire and looking for another ambulance to chase, and the one you mention will probably be right up his (#!$#$#%), I mean alley!
 

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KCButch said:
I think the only lawyer you need to watch out for is the same one trying to sue Honda for the wobbles! When he finds out that the ambulance he is presently chasing doesnt get him any $$$$$ he will no doubt be on fire and looking for another ambulance to chase, and the one you mention will probably be right up his (#!$#$#%), I mean alley!
Now THAT is funny.
 

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If they start coming after us for using copyrighted music for a video compilation then every couple whose wedding reception I've been to in the last five years is in trouble too.
 

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All you have to do is counter-sue the company, saying that the radio must've been on in the background, and got on your video. You REALLY DIDN'T want it on there. :lol:
 

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to use it legally you need permission to use copyrighted music.
it does not matter if you are selling it or not.

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I can tell you that this is true. I have a friend who is a copyright attorney. She says.........you would have to determine the size of the audience listening everytime it was played.........etc..........that would cost more than the royalty usually. Unless your little video gets downloaded a gazilliion times..........it probably won't matter. But if it ends up on Jay Leno or something.............somebody is going to come looking for you.......
 

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I have done Church Audio for almost 20 years. In the last 10 years we have not made copies of performances by our vocalists singing to pre recorded music because of copywright laws.

Most of the time these issues are over looked by the owners but they can have your lunch over the issue if they so desire.
 

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It is illegal to use copyrighted material as the background for a video even if it is for personal use. The "fair use" excuse is urban legand and is false. Look up section 107 in copyright law.

That being said, the worst that will probably happen if you put the video on a website and the copyright holder sees is is that you will get a cease and desist order. The publishers have their hands so full of lawsuits against companies that are profiting from the material that they don't have time to come after you. People have challenged the law and won, but it is a fine line.

As far the the wedding videos mentioned earlier are concerned, many small time photographers are indeed breaking the law. Larger studios usually either get permission from the publisher or use public domain music.

Other than that, screw the greedy music publishers. They can kiss my A$$. For personal use, I will do whatever I want with the music I have purchased. To me, copyright law is one of those things that says, just because it is against the law doesn't mean it's wrong. If you are the type that follows the letter of the law always, then don't do it.
 

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Links are here:
http://www.mpa.org/copyright_resource_c ... ght_search



From: http://www.uwm.edu/Libraries/Music/copyright.html

Fair Use
Section 107 of the Copyright Law allows for the "fair use" of a copyrighted work for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research. Additional guidelines (H.R. Rep. No. 94-1476, and The United States Copyright Law: A Guide for Music Educators) permit multiple copies for classroom use under certain circumstances.

The following four factors, taken together, determine what constitutes fair use. The first three factors are usually important in determining the fourth.


The purpose and character of the use, including whether it is intended for commercial or non-profit educational use. This provision permits certain duplication of library materials for the purposes of scholarship, research, and teaching in all areas of music study. Students and faculty members may make copies of protected materials for such uses, and librarians are permitted to make one copy of protected materials for a user upon the submission of a signed request with the adjoining copyright disclaimer statement. Section 107 applies to all copyrighted works. Certain specific uses not in the non-profit educational domain can also qualify under this provision, for example when a paid reviewer quotes briefly from a copyrighted literary or musical work in a review.
The nature of the copyrighted work. In evaluating this factor, case history has taken into account whether a work is published or unpublished, factual or creative. In general, unpublished and creative works have been given more protection by the courts than published and factual ones. MLA takes the position that most tools of music learning are creative works in themselves and therefore cannot by their very nature be appropriately evaluated on the factual or creative criterion. In addition, an evaluation of fair use should acknowledge that reasonable use of unpublished sources is critical to the advancement of music research.2 Conversely, fair use does not apply if a copyrighted work is intended to be consumed in the course of a class assignment (such as in the case of workbooks, text books, musical exercises, etc.).
The amount and substantiality of the portion to be copied as it relates to the work as a whole. This factor is related to the purpose of the use (no. 1 above), and is usually relevant in determining the degree of harm to the copyright owner (no. 4 below).
The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of the copyrighted work. Criteria used to determine adverse market effect include (a) accessibility of the work, (b) date of its creation or publication, (c) economic life of the work, (d) price, and (e) evidence of abandonment.
 

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Try these links. It discusses this question specifically and you don't have to dig for the info.

A lot has changed in copyright law over the past 20 years due to lawsuits. Now, all original works are automatically copyrighted. You don't have to register them. Even copying a picture of someone's bike that is posted on this message board and using it elsewhere is a violation of copyright law.

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

http://www.customflix.com/Support/UnderstandingCopyrights.jsp
 

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A question for you legal eagles..................

You and your sweetheart are enjoying a visit on the rim of the Grand Canyon. You ask the friendliest member of a Japanese tour group to use your camera to snap a picture of the two of you with the canyon in the background.

Just as Hiro snaps the picture, a space ship with 3 asexual Martians moves in behind you and hovers. The aliens are prominently displayed in the picture.

Who owns the copyright to the picture? :D
 

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To be on the safe side

To be on the safe side, when I make these video creations I try to use background music that is in the public domain without vocals like on some midi files. There is no law against using public domain material.

Also some older versions of Premiere Pro come with computer generated background music that works great. It can be programmed to generate music of a certain genre and length. Adobe Audition can help create this as well, if you are somewhat musically inclined yourself.
 

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luckyman said:
A question for you legal eagles..................

You and your sweetheart are enjoying a visit on the rim of the Grand Canyon. You ask the friendliest member of a Japanese tour group to use your camera to snap a picture of the two of you with the canyon in the background.

Just as Hiro snaps the picture, a space ship with 3 asexual Martians moves in behind you and hovers. The aliens are prominently displayed in the picture.

Who owns the copyright to the picture? :D
The mexican guy who saw the alien craft first, of course :roll: :shock:
 

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Sounds like life without parole to me. I can't imagine living my life wondering what law I'm breaking today. There are so many friggin laws in this country you can't breath without breaking one of them. Screw the laws and those who wrote them.

JJ
 

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How about the law that says some bum off the street can't walk up and get on your Goldwing and ride off?

Music, photos, and other intellectual property is just as important to the owners as your Wing is to you. It is the product of their work effort, just like the Wing is a product of your work effort.

Just a thought. :D
 

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Music, photos, and other intellectual property is just as important to the owners as your Wing is to you. It is the product of their work effort, just like the Wing is a product of your work effort.
But if somebody made a copy of your Goldwing and rode it around, did you lose out on anything? If he would not have bought a Goldwing anyway, did Honda lose anything?

The music and video industry counts every instance of illegal copying as lost revenue. If the person that copied it would not have bought it anyway, they have lost nothing.

How many of you have copied a friends disc (or LP in years past), and liked it so much you went out and bought it? I certainly have, many times. Do they subtract that from their lost revenue? How much money does a record label lose if you use music that you purchased to make background music for a home video for personal use? What if you bought that disc just for the purpose of background music. Didn't the record label just make money off of your project.

How many of you have bought discs that you thought was going to be a great disc and it turned out to be trash? Did the artist or record label deserve the money they got for putting out garbage? What goes around comes around. They make millions upon millions of dollars in profits. Don't feel sorry for them or fall for their sob stories.

Just because something is against the law doesn't necessarily make it wrong.
 
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