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I know that mounting car tires is not instant death. That does not make it a good idea.
Over 20 YEARS and I'm STILL waiting for ONE, JUST ONE VERIFIABLE instance of a motorcycle accident due to a car tire being installed.

And your responses to this thread have NOTHING to do with the OP's query. But you go ahead.

No, I don't DS. I don't climb behind cows or shoot heroin either, but I do ride a motorcycle, often over the speed limit.
 

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I agree. I don’t care what choices they make for their own bike. But talking someone else into it based on safety crosses the line.

I would not try to talk a car tire guy out of his choice. It’s like trying to convert someone to another religion.

But I would want to talk a newcomer out of the idea.

It was once pointed out that “A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.”

This is that sort of issue.

Before you choose car tires, see if any reputable tire dealership will install one for you. If they won’t, it’s not because they think it’s a dumb idea ... it’s because their lawyers think it is a dumb idea.

And they’re right.
When I started on this board, I thought running a CT on a motorcycle was one of the dumbest things I'd ever heard of. However, I kept reading and was eventually convinced to try it. I've tried 4 different tires and I would not willingly go back to a MT on my Goldwing. I was convinced by the mountain of evidence that while using a CT sounded stupid, there was merit to the practice.

I think the newcomer is the perfect person to convince to use a CT, because many of them have minds that are open to new ideas. I personally am very thankful to Rail32 for taking his time to talk to me about using CTs. I am convinced that they provide better traction when it is wet , are better able to handle the weight and are much less likely to blow out or delaminate than are MTs. I also appreciate the added security allowed by the RF feature. For me CTs last somewhat longer and are cheaper than MTs.

My mechanic makes fun of my tire choice every time he mounts a CT for me, but he has accepted that it works for me after almost 90K miles on CTs. Then again, he also makes fun of me for using Bridgestone tires instead of Dunlops.
 

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I rode DS for 20 years on the Valk, when I got the new 2018 Wing I thought I had a sport bike not some big cruiser. However, I bought 3 new rear rims from a company that does trikes. At $220 each I could not pass them up since good tires will cost that much. So I will ride these out and then switch one over to CT and see how it goes. I know you want to go with a narrow not wide profile to get the best performance. THe Yoko Avid I have rode very well for 24K but got 1/2 of a pair of pliers in the side wall and had to be changed. Hard to leave the sport bike feel for sure. Good to see others experience.
 

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I rode DS for 20 years on the Valk, when I got the new 2018 Wing I thought I had a sport bike not some big cruiser. However, I bought 3 new rear rims from a company that does trikes. At $220 each I could not pass them up since good tires will cost that much. So I will ride these out and then switch one over to CT and see how it goes. I know you want to go with a narrow not wide profile to get the best performance. THe Yoko Avid I have rode very well for 24K but got 1/2 of a pair of pliers in the side wall and had to be changed. Hard to leave the sport bike feel for sure. Good to see others experience.
Good on you for thinking like that to get those tires and rims. I’ll put that in my memory bank.
 

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Over 20 YEARS and I'm STILL waiting for ONE, JUST ONE VERIFIABLE instance of a motorcycle accident due to a car tire being installed.

And your responses to this thread have NOTHING to do with the OP's query. But you go ahead.

No, I don't DS. I don't climb behind cows or shoot heroin either, but I do ride a motorcycle, often over the speed limit.
Highly unlikely that they would be that specific about the cause of a motorcycle accident. If it was tire failure it would simply be listed as such or more broader equipment failure, tire type, brand, etc probably would not be listed in the statistics. Actually I'm not convinced that there is any verifiable evidence that a CT make you any safer either. The failure rate of automotive tires is actually higher than that of motorcycle tires. The leading causes of tire failure is worn tires, under inflation, and road hazards. Not over loading. Motorcycle tires in good condition is more than adequate at carrying the load recommendations of the motorcycle. Out of the main causes of failures both CT and MC tires are subject to the same hazards. Not inspecting them, properly inflating them, or replacing them when worn will have the same result CT or MC tire.

My brief and limited experience with a CT do allow me to verify that there is no comparison in longevity, the CT still looks like new with over 6,000 miles on it, I would have had to replace a MC tire 2,000 miles ago. And it looks great on the bike. But sorry to say, that where the positive ends. I haven't experienced any improvement in braking, performance, or ride quality, and actually a decline in handling. But I do understand everyone's circumstances are not the same, to those who can make it work for you...more power to you. But to the OPs question, it's not for me, I'll be installing a MT on my bike before next spring. Regardless what anyone is riding on it's my sincere wish that you stay safe.
 

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If it was tire failure it would simply be listed as such
I think that is what I asked for. One DS accident due to tire failure. Rear tire, naturally. And I've been asking for it for over 20 years. Just one VERIFIABLE instance. And I'm STILL waiting.

And, like I said, I don't DS. But I also don't care for safety-Nazis proclaiming something as dangerous when there is so much REAL WORLD EVIDENCE THAT IT IS NOT DANGEROUS!!!

Particularly when it doesn't affect said safety-Nazis one bit. And if anyone is offended by "Nazi" in the term "safety-Nazi", get over it.
 

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I think that is what I asked for. One DS accident due to tire failure. Rear tire, naturally. And I've been asking for it for over 20 years. Just one VERIFIABLE instance. And I'm STILL waiting.

And, like I said, I don't DS. But I also don't care for safety-Nazis proclaiming something as dangerous when there is so much REAL WORLD EVIDENCE THAT IT IS NOT DANGEROUS!!!

Particularly when it doesn't affect said safety-Nazis one bit. And if anyone is offended by "Nazi" in the term "safety-Nazi", get over it.
I prefer "safety fascists." Italians have better food.
 

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I have personally ridden on a 0 psi Driveguard to get an idea of what it would feel like. I changed the tire after doing that.

I wonder if the CT detractors have tried the same on a MC tire. I don’t think I would try it. I would at least want someone that has done it successfully in the past to show me before I even would consider doing it.
 

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You have a catastrophic rear mc tire blowout in a curve at 70+ mph and you are going to the hospital or the morgue!! If you were running a RF car tire on the back, you will just carry on for 100+ miles to safety & a tire shop! That IS the reason millions of us have been using a RF car tire on our big cruisers for years! It’s a no brainer . . .
 

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I think that is what I asked for. One DS accident due to tire failure. Rear tire, naturally. And I've been asking for it for over 20 years. Just one VERIFIABLE instance. And I'm STILL waiting.



And, like I said, I don't DS. But I also don't care for safety-Nazis proclaiming something as dangerous when there is so much REAL WORLD EVIDENCE THAT IT IS NOT DANGEROUS!!!



Particularly when it doesn't affect said safety-Nazis one bit. And if anyone is offended by "Nazi" in the term "safety-Nazi", get over it.
The point that I was trying to make is that even if there have been accidents caused by CT that it is unlikely to show up in the statistics identified as such. The absence of that data does not necessarily mean that a hazzard does not exist. Tire failures on motorcycles are rare regardless of type. As to your point, I agree that everyone is responsible for their own safety and what they are comfortable with.

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The point that I was trying to make is that even if there have been accidents caused by CT that it is unlikely to show up in the statistics identified as such.
Maybe not in official statistics, but you can bet it would be broadcast all over the forums. I, too, spent a lot of time researching this fact before going DS. Never found an incident of a CT failure causing a wreck, only MT. And, I am one of those MT failure statistics. :wink2:
 

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Maybe not in official statistics, but you can bet it would be broadcast all over the forums. I, too, spent a lot of time researching this fact before going DS. Never found an incident of a CT failure causing a wreck, only MT. And, I am one of those MT failure statistics. :wink2:
If it was knowable. There are thousands of accidents every year that the average person doesn't have a clue as to what caused it. I would find it understandable that the highest percentage of tire failures on a motorcycle is MTs (no matter how rare they may be) since I'm sure the greatest number of motorcycle riders are not darksiders.

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Like so many of the arguments we have here, this one is based on a faulty premise: Within practical limits, and ridden within a reasonable performance envelope defined by that tire, neither an MT or a CT can be “safer” than the other. If there are two simultaneous accidents, one involving an MT an the other a CT, and assuming both tires were in good shape, properly inflated according to their own specs, and ridden within their individual performance envelopes, than the tire won’t—in fact can‘t—have been a factor in either accident. I’ve never run a CT, but I’ve run a radial on a 1984 Honda Magna, which came OE with bias-ply tires. Arguing as some did at the time that it was unsafe because Honda didn’t recommend it was met with a giant shrug because if anything it was safer—handled better, carried more weight, lasted longer. Was it “designed” for a radial? No. So what? That in itself didn’t effect its “safety.” What effected its safety was how I rode it. Period. I get Remo’s wanting to see evidence that there’s ever been an accident where the kind of tire was a factor, but really that’s beside any conceivable, reasonable point because once a few people have tried them and not had any accidents, any concerns about their safety are based on a faulty premise to begin with. Just like the people who insist that lane-splitting is unsafe despite millions of accident-free lane-splitting miles all over the known universe, people who are concerned about CT safety are letting their imaginary concerns determine their behavior. And the only possible answer to that is, “Huh. Okay.”
 

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If it was knowable. There are thousands of accidents every year that the average person doesn't have a clue as to what caused it. I would find it understandable that the highest percentage of tire failures on a motorcycle is MTs (no matter how rare they may be) since I'm sure the greatest number of motorcycle riders are not darksiders.

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In the event of a tire delaminating and/or the bead popping off the rim (as many CT naysayers suggest) then it would be knowable, especially by the know-ee (If that's a word... :wink2:).

My point is ANY event where CT failure caused a crash, and this event was discovered by the naysayers, it would be widely broadcast. So far I have yet to see a published article from "professionals" poo-pooing the use of CTs where they point to a specific instance of a CT-caused crash. Lot's of "you're crazy to do it" but no real world evidence. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

It's interesting to me that my user manual states to not use a CT. If you read it carefully the reason seems to be it may pop off the rim DURING INSTALLATION and cause serious injury or death. So, it seems if you get passed that you're good to go! It also says to use only the tires "as shown above". Hmmm...Bridgestones only. Better not install Dunlops! :laugh:

Just some thoughts from a CT rookie. :wink2:
 

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In the event of a tire delaminating and/or the bead popping off the rim (as many CT naysayers suggest) then it would be knowable, especially by the know-ee (If that's a word... :wink2:).



My point is ANY event where CT failure caused a crash, and this event was discovered by the naysayers, it would be widely broadcast. So far I have yet to see a published article from "professionals" poo-pooing the use of CTs where they point to a specific instance of a CT-caused crash. Lot's of "you're crazy to do it" but no real world evidence. Maybe someone can enlighten me.



It's interesting to me that my user manual states to not use a CT. If you read it carefully the reason seems to be it may pop off the rim DURING INSTALLATION and cause serious injury or death. So, it seems if you get passed that you're good to go! It also says to use only the tires "as shown above". Hmmm...Bridgestones only. Better not install Dunlops!



Just some thoughts from a CT rookie. :wink2:
It would only be knowable to the know-ee if he was fortunate enough to have survived the crash. But even then it would be unlikely he would put himself in a position to be denied a insurance claim by getting on the internet and broadcasting to the world that he was in an accident of his own making by running improper equipment.

I'm making no determination weather the practice is safe or not. Just saying there is no verifiable evidence either way. But hey we ride motorcycles, so we're all willing to take a little risk.

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It would only be knowable to the know-ee if he was fortunate enough to have survived the crash. But even then it would be unlikely he would put himself in a position to be denied a insurance claim by getting on the internet and broadcasting to the world that he was in an accident of his own making by running improper equipment.

I'm making no determination weather the practice is safe or not. Just saying there is no verifiable evidence either way. But hey we ride motorcycles, so we're all willing to take a little risk.

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To be clear, my broadcast comment referred to the CT naysayers that find out about the crash, not the know-ee...or, crash-ee...

But, you're correct...we ride and, therefore, we take risks anyway! But I won't run anything but Bridgestones because the manual says so...even the CT...>:)
 

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What about the guy that gets a flat in the middle of the Nevada desert waste land and dies out there of dehydration. If he had a run flat he could of rode it to a casino and been drinking a beer.

In my mind that’s safer.
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My 2 cents worth regarding a CT causing an accident. Like most of you guys, before I would give it a try, I had to do some research. Looking for a real world accident that was the result of using a CT. Back then I did find an example of a Honda Dealership that was spreading the word. They had changed a CT off an 1800 Goldwing. It was coming apart because it was not designed to be run on a motorcycle, so it was exceedingly dangerous ... blah, blah, blah.

Digging into this story I found it was a guy that rode into Arkansas from Texas. He was two up and with a group. On the trip he kept making remarks to his companions about how his bike was not handling right. At a gas stop it was suggested that he should check his air pressure in his rear tire because it looked a little low. Well not wanting to hold up the group, he kept going. Somewhere in Central Arkansas the rear tire started coming apart and had to be replaced. (I think I got this story mostly correct)

This could come across as a failure of a CT, but actually it was the failure of the rider to keep an eye on his tires. As it turned out, he had ridden the bike from Texas to Arkansas without air in it. This story alone convinced me I needed to make the change. It also convinced me to always have a good TPMS working that will give me my actual tire pressure while riding. :thumbup:
 
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