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I find few traffic situations as difficult to deal with as darkened driver’s side windows. I understand that certain levels of tint are illegal, but apparently traffic law enforcement officers in many communities ignore those infractions, similar to the way that speeding, rolling stops, and tailgating are ignored. When I can’t establish eye contact with a driver that is approaching on a side road I slow down, cover my brakes, and prepare for the possible. I wonder if anyone sounds their horn as well to hopefully attract the attention of the driver behind deep tinted windows? Is the pi__off factor worth it?
 

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Eye contact is a waste of our time. My MSF instructors told us nobody has ever been hit, killed or run off the road by the eyes of another driver. You look at the front left wheel for roll, the rest of the car to establish where it's headed and look for your ways of escape. Drivers tend to look right past motorcycles even if you are looking them right in the eyes.
 

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When I can’t establish eye contact with a driver that is approaching on a side road I slow down, cover my brakes, and prepare for the possible.
From your sentence I presume when you <do> establish eye-contact you don't slow down? You don't cover your brakes? You don't prepare for the possible?

Seriously, just because <you> established eye contact doesn't mean the cage driver established eye contact. There has been more than a few post crash reports that the M/C rider says something to the effect:

I looked at right him and then he pulled out in front of me.
 

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Eye contact is a waste of our time. My MSF instructors told us nobody has ever been hit, killed or run off the road by the eyes of another driver. You look at the front left wheel for roll, the rest of the car to establish where it's headed and look for your ways of escape. Drivers tend to look right past motorcycles even if you are looking them right in the eyes.

Exactly.

And I can easily tell the difference between spinners and wheel roll.
 

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Eye contact is a waste of our time. My MSF instructors told us nobody has ever been hit, killed or run off the road by the eyes of another driver. You look at the front left wheel for roll, the rest of the car to establish where it's headed and look for your ways of escape. Drivers tend to look right past motorcycles even if you are looking them right in the eyes.
Agreed. There is no way to know if you establish two way eye contact. In reality all cars might as well have painted black windows. Look at the wheels, not the driver.
 

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Paddy O'Dailey probably has hit on the perfect solution for being seen by MALE drivers!!! Now how about the females????
 

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From your sentence I presume when you <do> establish eye-contact you don't slow down? You don't cover your brakes? You don't prepare for the possible?

Seriously, just because <you> established eye contact doesn't mean the cage driver established eye contact. There has been more than a few post crash reports that the M/C rider says something to the effect:

I looked at right him and then he pulled out in front of me.
Your presumption is incorrect but I must admit that I feel a bit better when I can see that someone is looking at me or at least in my direction. Revolving hub caps are cause for the absolute assumption that the vehicle will move in front of me and results in immediate action.

The point or my question was whether or not riders use their horn when approaching a vehicle with darkened windows. Or for that matter do they use a horn when approaching a vehicle with revolving wheel covers (spinners excluded)?
 

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I have not used my horn in years. If you have the time to blow a horn it would be better spent with evasive maneuvers.
 

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I like to flash the high beams several times when I approach a questionable scenario. The horn is only for cages that like to change lanes when I'm already there.
To those that think the "loud pipes saves lives" is a bunch of B.S., I must say that I have never had so may cages try to cut me off than while I'm on the 'Wing. It must be too quiet, and they just don't check their mirror. I have a '76 Honda 750F SuperSport cafe' with an open exhaust, and NOBODY tries to take my space when I'm riding that bike. They KNOW I'm there 'cause it's like a constantly blasting semi horn. :thumbup:
Edit: AFAIK, the tinted front windows has now been legalized recently, much to the dismay of the LEO's, that now have more problems seeing the mopes they pull over.
 

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I like to flash the high beams several times when I approach a questionable scenario.
Flashing high beams means:

I'm yielding, go ahead and pull out. It is probably one of the most unsafe things you can do when approaching a "questionable scenario".

Your thumb should be hovering just above the horn, not signaling someone that you are yielding when you have no intention to do so.
 

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Flashing high beams will get you pulled over in Washington state for road rage, same thing with repeated horn use. I don't flash my high beams, I just turn them on and leave them on until I clear.
 
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