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Does Honda care about shakey handlebars?

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#1 ·
I bought a new gold wing touring last year. Right away I noticed a very slight handle bar shake in the 40 to 50 mile an hour range like so many report, but it was pretty mild. Well by 1500 miles it's getting worse and my front tire is cupping. Dealer fine tuned tire balance and it was slightly better. Dealer said since the tire is cupped, it's probably gonna shake No matter what until you replace the tire. So just now i could not stand the worsening shake and at 7000 Miles I put on a new dunlap elite four. Well...the shake is still there.
Dealer called honda... They deny they know anything about the problem. Has anyone had honda fix this or do I just order centramatic balancers. Really aggravating having a brand new shake bike that ruins tires.
 
#2 ·
Honda does not care and their mismatched dampening in the forks and lack of a solid "full box support structure" between the two lower legs to guarantee unison in movement is part of the cause. I have Traxxion matching cartridges in each leg and tapered roller head bearings in my 2010 and that eliminates the issue until the front tire is done with a near slick left side and more tread on the right.
 
#3 ·
Several folks have reported a shimmy or wobble in the speed range you mentioned, especially during deceleration. Honda's answer is don't take your hands off the bars. I've found on a couple of bikes the steering head bearings weren't torqued sufficiently. Basically the front steering was "sloppy".

Not saying that's your issue, just an observation. Jack up the front with the bike on the centerstand, check the looseness/tightness of the front steering.
 
#7 ·
" Head shake is not very common for the 2018+ bikes ...."

Yeah, it's more common on the '18's and above than you know. There's been several on here that have reported it and that's just the ones on this forum. Who knows just how many have it?? Anyway, I've never been a believer of the "loose" steering stem bearings as a cause for this issue. A very, very large percentage of brand new Wings, either 5th or 6th generations don't have the infamous wobble when new. They develop it after a tire is worn or something else causes it. Using the old "tighten the steering head bearings" as a band aid for that situation, is just that, a band aid. I had a wobble in my '08 for quite some time. I had a front tire replaced and that wobble simply disappeared. I could let that bike slow down with no hands on the bars from 50 mph down to the point the bike would almost fall over and not a single wobble.

I was hoodwinked to install the Traxion steering system and all balls when I had the forks down for some seal work. I was also told to torque those "all balls" to 23 ft lbs. That's PHENNOMENALLY TOOOOOOOO MUCH torque on those!!!!!!!!! I've been doing wheel bearing work for decades and those are the same exact bearings as the "all balls" and I've never, EVER, EVER tightened them to that much. When I did torque them in my '08 to that recommended amount, that steering was HORRIBLE!!!!!!!! It wouldn't ever come back to center. I had to force it. So, I backed it way down to 5 lbs. torque. Waaaaaaaaaaay better. But my wobble was still there. That is until I had a new Shinko installed. All better.

So, as to the '18's and above, well, not a clue as there's maybe more than just tires involved.
Scott
 
#14 · (Edited)
" Head shake is not very common for the 2018+ bikes ...."

Yeah, it's more common on the '18's and above than you know. There's been several on here that have reported it and that's just the ones on this forum. Who knows just how many have it?? Anyway, I've never been a believer of the "loose" steering stem bearings as a cause for this issue. A very, very large percentage of brand new Wings, either 5th or 6th generations don't have the infamous wobble when new. They develop it after a tire is worn or something else causes it. Using the old "tighten the steering head bearings" as a band aid for that situation, is just that, a band aid. I had a wobble in my '08 for quite some time. I had a front tire replaced and that wobble simply disappeared. I could let that bike slow down with no hands on the bars from 50 mph down to the point the bike would almost fall over and not a single wobble.

I was hoodwinked to install the Traxion steering system and all balls when I had the forks down for some seal work. I was also told to torque those "all balls" to 23 ft lbs. That's PHENNOMENALLY TOOOOOOOO MUCH torque on those!!!!!!!!! I've been doing wheel bearing work for decades and those are the same exact bearings as the "all balls" and I've never, EVER, EVER tightened them to that much. When I did torque them in my '08 to that recommended amount, that steering was HORRIBLE!!!!!!!! It wouldn't ever come back to center. I had to force it. So, I backed it way down to 5 lbs. torque. Waaaaaaaaaaay better. But my wobble was still there. That is until I had a new Shinko installed. All better.

So, as to the '18's and above, well, not a clue as there's maybe more than just tires involved.
Scott
Sure, it was on Harleys, but I have had the opposite results. Tighten the steering neck bearings and the wobble went away. I had it happen on three of my Harleys and have helped friends with the same on there bikes.

It isn't that the bearings needed more preload, they were simply just loose from the factory. Like I mentioned, on a Harley I had I spun the nut about three turns before the bearings started to get tight, and yes, they can be too tight. On the Harley they had a method of checking the neck bearings called fall away, but it was a ridiculous method of it would take hours to do on a batwing. I would jack up the bike so the front wheel was off the ground and tighten the nut until I noticed a bit of resistance when moving the handlebars bag and forth, then back off the nut about 1/3rd of the turn and snug up the jam nut. Every neck bearing I ever checked on a Harley was loose.

I don't know the procedure on a 2018+ Goldwing, but if I had wobble in the bars and badly cupping tires it would be the first thing I would check and adjust.
 
#12 ·
never had a shake with Bridgestones

First time I had any shake was when Dunlop E4s were getting worn down on the sides, about 70% worn. Shake didn’t happen when they were new. Occurred any speed above 45 but only if I took both of my hands off the handle bars

Now have Michelin’s on- get the shake only during deceleration between 35 and 50 but again, only when I take both hands off the handle bars

in my option, what I experienced is caused by the tire(s) not the bike

Agree with @ssncob
Check the steering nut
Check steering alignment
Both of those considerations can be a factor
 
#13 ·
Same here, I have only experienced mild shaking around 45 mph with no hands on the handlebars, and it never happens with fresh tires. With my hands on the bars there is no sense of shaking or vibration whatsoever. My experience is not limited to deceleration; it would happen for me with the cruise set at 45.

I just swapped my tires last weekend and the shake went away...for the fourth time. The past sets were Bridgestone, and I suspect it will return when these Michelin Road W GTs wear...meh.
 
#15 · (Edited)
I noticed a very small amount of this head shake on my 08 so I installed All Ball Bearings and torqued them so I had 3 lbs of pull on the handlebars from lock to lock at the fork tubes with a scale and ended up was around 17 lbs of torque on the head beadings, and it handled great after this.
 
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