About 4-5 months ago, the m/c Dunlop rep stopped in, and the car tire subject came up. He'd said that he was the rep that had worked WingDing last year and was surprised at all the car tire questions ... he must be new !!! I'd mentioned to him that the m/c magazines compared the attitude of CT people to it being like a cult. His reply was that he is required to write a report after such an event and send it back to his home office, and he'd said the same. And look how Dunlop has respond. In Wing World I see they've announced that Dunlop is having a tire clinic. It'll be offered for 3 days, to educate m/c riders on how tires are constructed, and why they are constructed the way they are. It all comes down to science.