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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I hear from Garmin that they are discontinuing the "non-NT" versions for updates. This means that the last Garmin map update available for the Honda NAVI is CityNavigator 2009.

I contacted Garmin and this was their reply:
"The latest version of mapping for Non NT is 2009 with no current plans for an update for this version of mapping.

Since the original version of Honda Goldwing Navi in not NT compatible, it would appear 2009 would be the latest version for this product.

With Best Regards,

Stacy Derks
Product Support Specialist
Dealer Technical Support
Garmin International "
It appears that Garmin's support is not much different than Honda's for their legacy products. I guess I, like a lot of others, own a $22,000 GPS device on which I can't update the maps (glad I mounted my Zumo550 on the Wing; at least I can update the maps on it!).

I wasn't satisfied with the lack of information on this subject, so I sent a further inquiry:

"Stacy:



Your answer didn't address my questions. What you are saying is that I've received the last available update for my Honda NAVI. This was the response to my original inquiry, so you've provided no clarification.

Specifically, my questions are:

What is the plan for Honda/Garmin to provide a mechanism to keep the mapset current going forward on the 2008 and earlier Honda NAVI? (e.g., pre-programmed CF with new maps)

If not, what is the plan to update the Honda NAVI firmware (v4.31) to allow the use of NT map software on the 2008 and earlier Honda NAVI?

Thanks,

JIM"
I'm awaiting a more substantive answer, but I'm not holding my breath.:cus:

Update on 21 May 2009

Here is the answer I got from Garmin on my last inquiry:

Thank you for contacting Garmin International.

At the present time, the current update we offer for the Honda Goldwing is City Navigator 2008.
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Since the original version of Honda Goldwing Navi in not NT compatible, it would appear 2009 would be the latest version for this product."


The software in the device does not determine if the device can use NT maps, it is hardware related.

With Best Regards,

Stacy Derks
Product Support Specialist
Dealer Technical Support
Garmin International

Well, there you have it. Everyone who bought the original NAVI system is screwed. If you want to be able to update your maps going forward, you'll have to take Honda's offer of a new NAVI (2009 and later). There apparently are no plans to offer a conversion of the existing units to use the available map software.
 

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That could P-O the Pope!

You may want to move this posting to the Electronics board or Hazel may do it for you.

prs
 

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That could P-O the Pope!

You may want to move this posting to the Electronics board or Hazel may do it for you.

prs
Thought I'd pair it with the "update your NAVI" thread, as that's where most look for info relating to updating the NAVI.

Thanks for your input on the survey!
 

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Man this really ticks me off. I have a bike that is 3 years old and the mapping software is obsolete. Not much point in buying a Honda Navi system (which was the ONLY way you could buy the bike in Canada).

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I have the 2009 Navi on my new Wing and I can tell you it is vastly inferior and constantly mis-directional compared to the Zumo 660.
I am using the Zumo to get me from place to place and patch in my cell, but use the larger map on the Navi for XM weather and traffic.

Honda make a great bike, but their electronics are second rate.

But like the suspension and OEM seat, I am customizing the Wing given the resources I can spare to create the bike best suited to my riding needs.

Ride safely.
 

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This is discouraging. I don't mind the 2007 Nav uinit, but I was counting on being able to upgrade maps...I already updated to the 2009 maps. I guess the only hope is that somebody figures a software solution to converting the NT compressed maps back to the old format.
 

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Man this really ticks me off. I have a bike that is 3 years old and the mapping software is obsolete.
I have only had my 2008 for 6 months, what a deal! I have upgraded to the 2009 maps already.
 

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Very discouraging, indeed!

I just bought an 08 a couple weeks ago. Only has 20 miles on it. Now I want to sell it!
 

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Let's hope that the owners of all the other models that use the non-NT maps get together and make a fuss. I'm sure if it were just us Goldwing owners we wouldn't stand a chance, but there are many models that used that map type. I'm keeping my fingers crossed...
 

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How am I screwed? I have an 2006 (non-updated) and I'm ok with that. I'm happy with it - I just bought a BRAND NEW TOM TOM and guess what? It's not perfect either with errors on maps and like everything else we own, eat, or screw you just adapt and get used to it.

Is it really that bad?

Im more worried about the economy than my GPS .


Go Pens


Patrick
 

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Let's hope that the owners of all the other models that use the non-NT maps get together and make a fuss. I'm sure if it were just us Goldwing owners we wouldn't stand a chance, but there are many models that used that map type. I'm keeping my fingers crossed...
All of the other non-NT units are discontinued, so they have limited options anyway. Their voices will carry little to no weight with Garmin, nor will yours, unfortunately.

Why Honda chose to use an outdated hardware platform for the bike is beyond me - it must've been cost?
 

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Not to be an i-told-you-so but the initial glee at Honda adding a GPS system wore off as soon as I found out what it involved.

AM/FM radio, CBs are static (pardon the pun) as the technology doesn't change. Satellite Radio, Cellular, Bluetooth, GPS technology are all new enough that they change constantly.

At least two of the guys where I work have a large chunk of console and dash occupied by outdated built-in cellular phones (Mercedes and BMW).

While built-in gizmos are nice, I feel that they are only worthwhile in a lease situation where you get a new vehicle every two to three years.l

When you compare the costs and benefits of Honda's OEM electronics vs. the aftermarket, Honda only wins in the integrated and more theft resistant columns. Aftermarket wins in every other category. (The same would apply to any other manufacturer. At least when HD and BMW offered the Quest and something else for their navi, it was handle-bar mounted and could be replaced.)
 

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One thing to remember though folks. Just because you can't update the maps, doesn't mean that the Navi is dead.

As all of us GPS owners know, even the latest maps have outdated areas. We live with it.

All that will happen with the Navi is that more and more new streets and freeways will be missing in the years to come. For the most part all of the current streets and freeways that are on there now will still exist. So your overpriced Navi (and the dirt cheap Quest, etc.) will still work just fine in most cases.

Now if you're doing service calls to new residential areas... yes, this would be a big problem. I doubt that many do that on the wing.

More than likely, you'll be using it to go to another state to visit your kids and grandkids in their new house. The Navi will still get you to the town, you'll just have to call for directions from there just like the old days of paper maps.
 

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Replacing the GPS unit

I updated my 07' with the latest City Navigator. No problem. Now since apparently this will be the latest update from Garmin, would it be possible to replace the GPS unit on an older model with the newer 09' and obviously be able to have upgrades? Of course the cost might be prohibitive if it'll work at all. Not sure if the monitor (screen) will work with the 09' GPS. Anyone has ideas on this?
 

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I think we all should be going after Honda. I did not buy a NAV system from Garmin, I bought a complete motorcycle, with NAV, from Honda. It is their responsibility to support "EVERYTHING" that is on the bike. We all bought the motorcycle with expectations that the maps would be capable of being updated and that is exactly what Honda told us. Could even be a legal issue. Any legal people out there.
 

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I think we all should be going after Honda. I did not buy a NAV system from Garmin, I bought a complete motorcycle, with NAV, from Honda. It is their responsibility to support "EVERYTHING" that is on the bike. We all bought the motorcycle with expectations that the maps would be capable of being updated and that is exactly what Honda told us. Could even be a legal issue. Any legal people out there.
I have to concur with this. Even people with 7 year old Toureg's can buy an updated DVD with new maps on it, but now us Navi Wing owners are going to get the shaft. The really sad thing is my subdivision is so new, its not even on the 2009 maps (even though its been around for 4 years now!). Google just recently added it, so I can only imagine that it'll take another 1-2 years for it to be added to software (this isn't to mention the new I-355 extension either!)
 

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Let's not jump off the end of the bridge just yet guys.

Everyone here that has ever talked to a customer rep about anything knows that they usually have no idea what they are talking about.

Now this may very well be an accurate email, but don't count on it until you see something on their website. This rep may be well versed in consumer products, but may not know anything about OEM products, and could be making assumptions.

There isn't any reason to get all wound up. I looked at my calendar, and verified it is 2009 right now, and the current version is 2009, so nobody's maps are outdated. Nobody is going to make a wrong turn and run off a cliff.

I find it hard to believe that Honda would be selling a current model that has software without a contract that calls for updates for a specified period of time. If they did, then they really are as dumb as a box of rocks.

Somebody should call Honda sales and say that they are considering buying a Navi Goldwing and have an email from Garmin that says the software has been discontinued just to see what they say.
 

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Big deal. I just bought a Garmin Nuvi, paid $119 for the lifetime map updates, updated it to the most current version, took it to Florida on vacation and it still got me lost and was wrong. I doubt that interstates and state highways will be changing too much in the near future, so I do not feel screwed that I bought a Goldwing with Navi. Bad news sells newspapers.....
 

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If you do not think updates are a big deal why did you spend $119 for the updates??
 
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