Well I started with a Utopia for back pain on long rides. But to alleviate my back pain I needed the Utopia really forward. So my back pain was gone but it moved me forward on the seat where there is less padding. Then I had saddle soreness. Here come the Helibars. Ok so my first ride I had to move the Utopia back again. Felt like it’s been rebalanced. Upright and in control. Utopia is doing its thing and the bars coming back to meet me. Can’t wait for a longer ride but felt great right now.