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Why?? Honda will have a new model Gold Wing, Honda is going to build into the cost all the expenses they have had to take with the 1800. They will also cover there butt for any problems that will come up with a new model. I think we will see a list price either just below $20,000. or up to $21,000.
 
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The only upside to that scenario is that used prices will follow suit..
the more they charge for a new one, the more my '03 is worth on
the second-hand market! :wink:
 

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Re: I think you will see a large price increase for next yea

BlueWing said:
Why?? Honda will have a new model Gold Wing, Honda is going to build into the cost all the expenses they have had to take with the 1800. They will also cover there butt for any problems that will come up with a new model. I think we will see a list price either just below $20,000. or up to $21,000.
We can fix that problem. Boycott Honda and all other motorcycle manufacturers. Do not, under any circumstances, purchase a new motorcycle for at least the next 3 years. This will force all the manufacturers to enter into a price war in an attempt to sell thier product. The result will be a much lower cost motorcycle in the future due to massive overstock in the warehouses. Pass this on to all your friends and encourage them to participate.
 

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Bluewing,

If I am right, all this bru-ha-ha about the ECM and frames has caused a decrease in sales of Gold Wings. The suspicion is that Honda will reduce production of new Wings because there is an excess of them in the warehouses. Already the price of Wings at dealers is going down. You can bet Honda will offer discounts and rebates to move those Wings out of the warehouses. It appears to me that some good deals may be in the making. Time for a boycott? I don't think so. As for the price of new Wings going up, I will bet that if the price does go up, even if it's because of new options, many will blame the law suit for it. Only time will tell about future prices on Wings. As I said on another thread, 1.4 million dollars is "chump change" for Honda and I don't think it will impact Wing sales. But, we shall see.
 

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Honda has a lot to prove to me, before I would consider another large investment with them.

First thing that they would have to clean up, is their miserable Dealership network. Imagine Honda telling us that the dealers are independent and that they have no control on how the dealerships work, what they can and have to do. What kind of Malarkey is that.

If they price themselves out of the market, you will see more Beemers etc. on the road.

Honda Makes them, we buy them if we choose.

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It is amazing as to the things we're really willing to tolorate when it comes to Honda dealers.

Think about it, when taking your Ford, Chevy, or any other make of automobile or truck to a dealer for service are you ever asked "Did you buy it here?" as a condition of whether or not they will service your vehicle? Never happened to me. But when I call to schedule service for the motorcycle, lately that has been the first question I'm asked. Not "What seems to be the problem?" Never had this problem with my 1200 or 1500.

And I don't even want to go into the type or level of service we then receive.

So in short, I agree with Bulldog in that Honda should get a better handle on their dealers. After all, they're suppose to be representing the Honda name and sales line.
 

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Bulldog and toisich,

I understand what you are saying, but to accomplish what you want Honda to so would require two things, one or the other. One, the franchise laws in the USA would have to be tightened so that businesses like Honda can exercise more control over them or ... the federal government can continue to have more control over private businesses like they do in socialist countries. Please, I'm not trying to flame you or disagree. I do agree with your complaint. It's just that Honda dealers, like McDonalds or Firestone Stores, have a lot of latitude in how they do business that the "Mother Company" cannot control. There is a McDonalds close to me that charges 40 cents more for a Mc Whatever than another one about 2 miles away. Whether all these problems with the 1800 (and there are really few in comparison) have dented Honda's armor is still to be seen. Buying a motorcycle, like any other product, is the buyer's choice, as always. Personally, I won't let a poor dealer keep me from buying the motorcycle I want. He doesn't make them. He just sells them.
 

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I suppose our attitudes and choices are a by-product of our own experiences. If there are problems or hitches along the way we have certain prejudices in the negative column and if there are none and all our experiences are good, then they are all positive.

I've purchased a lot of Honda's and Acura's over the years and every single one of them have been rock solid zero problem fantastic vehicles and motorcycles. The dealers that I have dealt with have been great and I have no complaints there either. Obviously either I have been lucky or others have just run into the exceptions to the rule that I have always seen.

I only have about 53,000 miles on my wing and it's still what I consider a relatively "new" bike so I intend to keep it for a long long time, although I am growingly concerned about seeing a major change in the 05 Wing (being it's an anniversary model) and then I wishing that I had one too. I'm still driving the best motorcycle on the road, but I don't know what it will feel like if I am driving the 2nd best. The bottom line though is I still have 100% confidence in Honda and they have always delivered a rock solid performer.

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Gary,

I can accept your position, to a point. True, buying a Goldwing was my choice - this was my 4th in 20 years - and I guess my views are based on my old fashion beliefs. If I want to make and sell XYZ product, then how I do it is my choice. If I want to offer great service to my customers that too is my choice. But when I represent the equities of someone else - like big Honda - then "my" control over how I do business is diminished as it is "my" responsibility to favorably represent others who have equity in the product and the way I conduct business.

I buy Honda Goldwings because I like the product for many reasons, to include the fact the maintenance requirement associated with them is very low. No doubt this is due to the quality of the product. But when something does happen, and dealer level (i.e. warranty work) maintenance is required, I should not automatically become a second class citizen because I did not purchase my Goldwing from that dealer. That dealer represents Honda and is responsible for favorably representing Honda's equity in the product. That's all I'm saying. If they're going to carry the Honda name and represent themself as a "Honda Dealership" then they should accept all that comes with that privilege. Honda should expect no less.

I do however agree with your comments that all things considered, the problems with the GL1800 really are not really out of line and we do tend to blow them out of proportion. I didn't think twice about buying my '04 after my '03 was totalled. We quickly state that if we're spending $16K to $20K for a motorcycle it should be perfect. Yet people eagerly spend $40K-$70K for a Mercedes (or other vehicle), which in comparison, has a far worse maintenance history and think nothing of it. Not sure I understand that.

Oh well, enjoyed the discussion. Now all we have to do is wait for the rain to stop to go for a ride!
 

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Toisich,

No disagreement here! It is not widely understood how Honda and its dealer network operate. It is not like car companies, to whom many compare Honda. Honda has an "agreement" with its dealers that goes way back to the beginning when Honda first started to solicit dealers back in 1958.

Without going into long details, it is now 2004 and times have changed and law suits fly every which way and people are a lot more critical of how they spend their bucks (except for foreign aid. Don't get me started). You are right that many who spend big bucks on a motorcycle think it should be perfect. And, many think that Honda should warranty "anything" that might happen to the bike. Of course, that is not possible and no company would do that. If one compares Honda's past record of quality, service and warranty to other bike makers, Honda will win every time.

That does not mean they are perfect by any means. The weakest point, however, has always been the dealer network. Most dealers are multi-brand dealers and that complicates matters. In fact, I use this as a way to understand how helpless Honda is in the US business climate. Think about it. If Honda had the control many think it has, why would any company allow its dealer to sell competing products? Honda and Yamaha have been deadly market enemies for years!

I have sat down with the Senior VP of Sales of Honda (for whom I used to work) and pleaded the case for a revision of the dealer agreement to give Honda more power over its dealers. He said it couldn't be done legally and dealers would sue Honda for restraint of business.

So, the only way to get poor dealers in line is to make Honda aware of misconduct and failures to do appropriate service. Many say, "It won't do any good." Maybe. But when I was a cop, people would sometimes balk at making a crime report because they didn't see that it would do any good. That's not true. If enough "crime reports" come into the office, something has to happen. It may not be what you wanted, but it will pay off in some way.

The motorcycle business is not a big business for the dealers. Most dealers "make a living" and that's all. There are some who, IMO, follow Honda's policies and programs and thrive. Good service is one of the main keys to the dealer's ability to make it with their customers. But, like all around us, we see more and more people who just don't care as long as they are making it.

Honda cannot tell you who are the "good" dealers and who's are poorly run. They know, but the laws prohibit them from telling you who they are. I have dealt with hundreds of them in the past and traveled with the Honda Field Reps. The reps. do the best they can to bring dealers into line. I can remember dealers who will not let the reps. in their shop! One dealer pulled a gun on a Honda rep. because Honda found out he was defrauding Honda with warranty claims!

Over all, things work pretty well at Honda. Contrary to what some would say, they are honest to a fault and the people who work there are dedicated people. The top brass are all riders and most are enthusiasts.

But, that's only my opinion and my observations. I will now get down from my soapbox.
 

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I don't think what you're seeing at some Honda Dealerships is any different than the Auto Dealerships. I live just outside Albuquerque, NM. A quick check of the local Chevy dealerships shows prices on truck stickers an item called SWMA to the tune of $5000. SWMA stands for South West Market Adjustment. Basically, an additional $5K for the priviledge of buying your truck here. Also I have a friend who lives in Las Vegas NM where the Chevy dealership charges and additional 10K/truck and refuses any warranty work unless you had purchased the truck there. Yes, his first question is did you buy that here? GM will do nothing, so they are losing truck sales. My local Honda dealership(West Honda) has been outstanding, When I had my Kaw Voyager, they did tune-ups, tires and other work on it, and thats the main reason for purchasing my wing there, and I told them that when I purchased it! They have an outstanding service department. If your dealership treats you poorly, go someplace else let them know why. If they want to stay in business they'll change.
 

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Gary,

Thanks for the informative reply. As I said in my previous post I enjoyed exchanging views with you and I truly enjoyed reading your views. You raised points, that while I was aware of them, I had not considered -- such as the multi-brand dealership and the impact that would have. And to be truthful, I do think of motorcycle dealerships in the same light as automobile dealerships. Maybe that's not a fair comparision.

Thanks for the exchange!

Steve
 

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I don't know about you, :D but a higher price doesn't mean the quality control is gonna be any better. Just a new set of different growing pains Notice I didn't say hidden defects!
 

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mine has 800 miles on it now.

any info as to howmuch a 2012 model year goldwing will cost when i get ready for a new one.

loren
 
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