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You think the next generation Gold Wing will have the FOB keyless type ignition? I think they will manly because it very handy not having the get a key out of your pocket or search for the right key when it's the least convenient. The FOB and keyless entry and remote start on my new RAM 1500 such has spoiled me.
 

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I GOT N 05 . AINT THAT THE NEXT GENERATION :shrug::lol::shrug:
 

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I think Honda really dropped the ball when they didn't incorporate a proximity ignition and lock key fob on the Gen II Gold Wing.
 

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Keyless ignition systems on motorcycles are in my opinion silly and a waste of money. I have a bike that has one and I hate it. It offers zero value to the bike, and if you want to get a duplicate key made it costs about $300, and if you loose your key fob you have to replace the computers on the bike which cost nearly $2k. They took a simple ignition switch and key that has been working on vehicles for nearly 100 years now and made it into a complex and expensive device. And now thieves have figured out how to clone them and steal vehicles without even having to touch them. They are a giant step backwards.
 

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Keyless ignition systems on motorcycles are in my opinion silly and a waste of money. I have a bike that has one and I hate it. It offers zero value to the bike, and if you want to get a duplicate key made it costs about $300, and if you loose your key fob you have to replace the computers on the bike which cost nearly $2k. They took a simple ignition switch and key that has been working on vehicles for nearly 100 years now and made it into a complex and expensive device. And now thieves have figured out how to clone them and steal vehicles without even having to touch them. They are a giant step backwards.
At the risk of being called a Luddite I agree!:thumbup:

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Keyless ignition systems on motorcycles are in my opinion silly and a waste of money. I have a bike that has one and I hate it. It offers zero value to the bike, and if you want to get a duplicate key made it costs about $300, and if you loose your key fob you have to replace the computers on the bike which cost nearly $2k. They took a simple ignition switch and key that has been working on vehicles for nearly 100 years now and made it into a complex and expensive device. And now thieves have figured out how to clone them and steal vehicles without even having to touch them. They are a giant step backwards.
Yikes, sounds expensive. Good thing Harley didn't go with the system that's on your bike.
 

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A little bit of FYI FOB technology.

According to the FOB type lock specialists, each keyless-entry transmitter has a transmitter identification code (TIC) that is programmed and, therefore, linked to the vehicle. But even if thieves manage to mimic the TIC, the unlocking/locking process is even more complicated.

Here’s how it works: To issue an unlocking/locking action, the transmitter sends a request to the receiver/control module in the vehicle. With the request, the transmitter also sends a new code sequence and TIC to the receiver. To issue an unlock/lock command, the code sequence and TIC sent by the transmitter must be one that hasn’t been used before and the next—or one of the next few—in a planned sequence. This is what is known as a rolling code. And there aren’t just a lot of possible codes; there are a whole load of them—4.8 million billion combinations. So even if thieves did manage to steal the TIC and the code sequence from the transmitter, the chance of stumbling upon that crucial next code is one in 4.8 million billion. Good luck to any potential theives.

The same would apply to the access of the trunk and saddlebags on a Gold Wing. If Honda went to the FOB technology.
 

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With the current technology used by RFID thieves, I wonder about how secure keyless ignition actually is.
Right now, I feel the most secure system are the chipped keys, and even they are not perfect.
 

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Go look on the Concours forum about how many folks have been left stranded when their bikes won't start due to a failure of the Keyfob system. The only solution is to call a tow truck. We have had dozens of reports of failures leaving bikes and riders stranded.
 

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Keyless ignition systems on motorcycles are in my opinion silly and a waste of money. I have a bike that has one and I hate it. It offers zero value to the bike, and if you want to get a duplicate key made it costs about $300, and if you loose your key fob you have to replace the computers on the bike which cost nearly $2k. They took a simple ignition switch and key that has been working on vehicles for nearly 100 years now and made it into a complex and expensive device. And now thieves have figured out how to clone them and steal vehicles without even having to touch them. They are a giant step backwards.
Fred, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.
 

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I think that problem is blown out of proportion. The current key fob's for locking the bags and trunk can be hacked and you don't see or hear about a lot of problems do you? I've never had a single problem with any vehicle I've owned with keyless ignition and I've never lost my (physical) keys either. Locked them in the car before but even that's not possible anymore because almost all modern vehicles know the keys are in the ignition and wont let you lock the door.
 
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