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What's your understanding of the legality of lane splitting? According to my MSF instructor, it's not legal under many of the circumstances that I've seen it done.
According to him, lane splitting was first legalized to allow motorcycles to go the head of the line at traffic lights so they could get out in front of the cars that were stopped, once the traffic starts moving again. He said that lane splitting is illegal when any of the cars being passed is moving.
What is your understanding of the law, and has anyone been stopped for lane splitting under the wrong circumstances?
FYI - A recent poll was taken of drivers in California, where they were asked what things about the traffic bothered them the most. #8 on the list was "motorcycles cheating and taking cuts at red lights". Apparently the general population doesn't know it's legal, and that adds to some of the negative sentiment about motorcycles in general.
I've had sport bikes split lanes between my truck and another vehicle in the next lane while we were both doing 75mph on the freeway. Whether that would be legal is a point of conjecture, but I know it isn't safe. I'm probably more alert to motorcycles on the road than the average driver, but seeing a sport bike try to share the width of the lane with my F350 Crewcab certainly is dangerous, at best.
What are your thoughts?
 

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I don't know about the legality of it, but it is definately dangerous under any circumstance.
 

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I don't believe that Lane splitting is legal in NY. Personally I don't think I would try it even if it was legal, there are just to many wako's out there that would open a door, just to be an idiot
 

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CALIFORNIA IS THE ONLY STATE WHERE LANE SPLITTING IS LEGAL.

However, it is also the state that restricts all other personal rights starting with the 1st and 2nd Amendment in one fashion or another.
 

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QUOTE--Apparently the general population doesn't know it's legal,

WRONG. :shock:

Lane splitting is done in California. Legal or not I do not know. I have always heard it got passed there because at one time all bikes were air cooled and would overheat easily in traffic gridlock situations. 8)

I believe it is illegal in all other 49 states. :shock:
 

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I'm with J-Mac on this one.... Besides... the wing is too wide to begin with....

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I used to live in California, but I've never done lane splitting. Never had the need where I lived when I had a bike (Pismo Beach area).

I was told by an LEO that lane splitting originated to allow motorcycles to continue moving forward in congested traffic so that their air-cooled engines wouldn't overheat.

He also said that lane-splitting was legal only if the motorcycle passed the car on the left and in the same lane. If you were in the right hand lane and passing the car in front of you and you happened to cross the line into the left hand lane (both lanes going same direction, of course), you could be ticketed for passing on the right. :roll:

That was 15 years ago. Maybe it's changed since then. I'm in Washington now, and they don't allow it here (that I know of).
 

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First of all, lane splitting is not legal in California, but is tolerated. CA. is also the only state in the union that does so. It was first implemented by the CHP officers on motorcycles because their air cooled Harleys couldn't tolerate the stop and go traffic on LA freeways during the warm season. There are written guidelines of how and when one may lane split. As I remember reading them, you may lane split when the traffic flow becomes conjested and impeded. While lane splitting, you may not travel more than 10 MPH faster then the impeded traffic. Whenever I visit CA, I lane split, although I haven't yet tried it with my trailer<G>!


Silverback said:
What's your understanding of the legality of lane splitting? According to my MSF instructor, it's not legal under many of the circumstances that I've seen it done.
According to him, lane splitting was first legalized to allow motorcycles to go the head of the line at traffic lights so they could get out in front of the cars that were stopped, once the traffic starts moving again. He said that lane splitting is illegal when any of the cars being passed is moving.
What is your understanding of the law, and has anyone been stopped for lane splitting under the wrong circumstances?
FYI - A recent poll was taken of drivers in California, where they were asked what things about the traffic bothered them the most. #8 on the list was "motorcycles cheating and taking cuts at red lights". Apparently the general population doesn't know it's legal, and that adds to some of the negative sentiment about motorcycles in general.
I've had sport bikes split lanes between my truck and another vehicle in the next lane while we were both doing 75mph on the freeway. Whether that would be legal is a point of conjecture, but I know it isn't safe. I'm probably more alert to motorcycles on the road than the average driver, but seeing a sport bike try to share the width of the lane with my F350 Crewcab certainly is dangerous, at best.
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According to the CHP (CA Hwy Patrol) web page, lane splitting is permissable (i.e., legal). CA is the only state where it is legal, however it is still unsafe and stupid in all 50 states.

I've done a lot of riding in CA, and never once did I even think about lane splitting.

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http://www.laneshare.com/content/view/24/34/

The practice of lane-sharing has been allowed for decades. Yet, contrary to popular belief, there is no California statute permitting the practice. On the other hand, there’s no law stating you can’t lane-share. In other words, lane-sharing is not legal, but rather not illegal in the Golden State.
 

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QUOTE--Apparently the general population doesn't know it's legal,

WRONG.
What other conclusion would you draw from their response, then? If they knew it was legal, they wouldn't feel that way, would they?

When I'm in the truck, I see a lot of lane splitting going on that is very unsafe. The worst case was the example I noted earlier, when a sport bike went between my F350 and another pickup that was along side me on the freeway, while we were both travelling in the 70-75mph range. I saw the bike coming up my right side, and started to move to the left side of the lane to give him more room, but also saw another bike coming up my left side a few feet behind the first one, preparing to pass me on the left. Had I not seen the second bike, I could easily have "closed the door" on him. The irony of this is there were two clear lanes farther to the left of me they could have used. The bikers apparently thought it was more fun to pass under these circumstances than to use the open lanes on the far left.
Lane splitting is indeed legal in California, not merely tolerated, by the way. The DMV manual is vague about when it's legal and when it's not, however.
 

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I lived in Van Nuys & rode Triumph motorcycles all over Ca. from 1958 to 1965 when I entered the U.S. Army. Lane splitting was an accepted practice & I did it often,especially in slow moving/stalled traffic on the freeways.
Never did it on a motorcycle as wide as a Wing,but on smaller "bikes" I never had even a "close call" while lane splitting.
Never had a cager open a door or crowd the lane.
Just lucky I guess,
the hobo
 

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From the California DMV Page

09.I.06(4) Lane splitting is where one vehicle drives side-by-side or
passes using a lane occupied by another vehicle. It is legal in
California for motorcycles to split lanes, but it creates a
hazardous situation for both motorcyclists and drivers of other
vehicles.
CDH: p. 48

It is legal to split lanes in California and I do it whenever I am there. Splitting lanes has reduced motorcycle fatalities but at the same time it has increased motorcycle accidents.
I would much rather go down and skin my elbow than be smashed between the bumpers of two SUV's.
A side effect of arriving alive by splitting lanes is you arrive early :) In LA traffic you can cover in half an hour what takes three hours in a cage.
The law states that you can ride at up to 35 MPH splitting lanes with traffic when the traffic is moving at less that 25 MPH. When done in that way it is very safe and practical.
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Ben There said:
From the California DMV Page

09.I.06(4) Lane splitting is where one vehicle drives side-by-side or
passes using a lane occupied by another vehicle. It is legal in
California for motorcycles to split lanes, but it creates a
hazardous situation for both motorcyclists and drivers of other
vehicles.
CDH: p. 48

It is legal to split lanes in California and I do it whenever I am there. Splitting lanes has reduced motorcycle fatalities but at the same time it has increased motorcycle accidents.
I would much rather go down and skin my elbow than be smashed between the bumpers of two SUV's.
A side effect of arriving alive by splitting lanes is you arrive early :) In LA traffic you can cover in half an hour what takes three hours in a cage.
The law states that you can ride at up to 35 MPH splitting lanes with traffic when the traffic is moving at less that 25 MPH. When done in that way it is very safe and practical.
Glen
I don't think you have that quite right. If the traffic is stopped and you are traveling 35mph, basically you are dead, or about to become that way. I rode my entire youth on CA freeways on motorcycles. While I never had an accident while lane splitting, I NEVER was running +35mph to the flow of traffic. Also, the CVC only allows for +10mph to the traffic flow.
 

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biglefti said:
Ben There said:
From the California DMV Page

09.I.06(4) Lane splitting is where one vehicle drives side-by-side or
passes using a lane occupied by another vehicle. It is legal in
California for motorcycles to split lanes, but it creates a
hazardous situation for both motorcyclists and drivers of other
vehicles.
CDH: p. 48

It is legal to split lanes in California and I do it whenever I am there. Splitting lanes has reduced motorcycle fatalities but at the same time it has increased motorcycle accidents.
I would much rather go down and skin my elbow than be smashed between the bumpers of two SUV's.
A side effect of arriving alive by splitting lanes is you arrive early :) In LA traffic you can cover in half an hour what takes three hours in a cage.
The law states that you can ride at up to 35 MPH splitting lanes with traffic when the traffic is moving at less that 25 MPH. When done in that way it is very safe and practical.
Glen
I don't think you have that quite right. If the traffic is stopped and you are traveling 35mph, basically you are dead, or about to become that way. I rode my entire youth on CA freeways on motorcycles. While I never had an accident while lane splitting, I NEVER was running +35mph to the flow of traffic. Also, the CVC only allows for +10mph to the traffic flow.
OK your way then I still agree. So your saying if the traffic is rolling in reverse gear .. needed to be happening in order to be rolling at greater than 35 MPH when you are rolling at 35 MPH then you would not split lanes. I would agree with you in that case. I would not split lanes when traffic is backing up that is for sure. 35 MPH - 25MPH = 10 MPH. we both said the same thing. I just never took into account a situation where traffic would be running in reverse gear on a highway.
Sorry ... just quoting the law.
:)
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I was born and raised in Calif. and i have allways lane split, that might not be the most popular but when its rush hour on the 405 and its 100 degrees, you slit. Also, about 60% of the people will move over and give you room if your not an ass about it. Only about 2% of the people will see you and actually block you. Those are the ones to watch out for. I live in the Antelope Valley about 50 miles morth of LA and about 10 LAPD motorcops live out here. If you get on the freeway behind them in traffic, they will let you get right behind them and they will make a path, they have never even givin me a second look or pulled me over, you tell me? The goldwing is a great lane splitter because of the balance and the smooth motor response. Please dont knock lane splitting if you havent really tried it or your just not comfortable with it. I am, and still go home every night.
 

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Ben There said:
biglefti said:
[quote="Ben There":3s4pzv0e]From the California DMV Page

09.I.06(4) Lane splitting is where one vehicle drives side-by-side or
passes using a lane occupied by another vehicle. It is legal in
California for motorcycles to split lanes, but it creates a
hazardous situation for both motorcyclists and drivers of other
vehicles.
CDH: p. 48

It is legal to split lanes in California and I do it whenever I am there. Splitting lanes has reduced motorcycle fatalities but at the same time it has increased motorcycle accidents.
I would much rather go down and skin my elbow than be smashed between the bumpers of two SUV's.
A side effect of arriving alive by splitting lanes is you arrive early :) In LA traffic you can cover in half an hour what takes three hours in a cage.
The law states that you can ride at up to 35 MPH splitting lanes with traffic when the traffic is moving at less that 25 MPH. When done in that way it is very safe and practical.
Glen
I don't think you have that quite right. If the traffic is stopped and you are traveling 35mph, basically you are dead, or about to become that way. I rode my entire youth on CA freeways on motorcycles. While I never had an accident while lane splitting, I NEVER was running +35mph to the flow of traffic. Also, the CVC only allows for +10mph to the traffic flow.
OK your way then I still agree. So your saying if the traffic is rolling in reverse gear .. needed to be happening in order to be rolling at greater than 35 MPH when you are rolling at 35 MPH then you would not split lanes. I would agree with you in that case. I would not split lanes when traffic is backing up that is for sure. 35 MPH - 25MPH = 10 MPH. we both said the same thing. I just never took into account a situation where traffic would be running in reverse gear on a highway.
Sorry ... just quoting the law.
:)
Glen[/quote:3s4pzv0e]

Sorry, when I read your post I thought you were saying that when traffic was moving at less than 25mph (which could include not moving or 0mph) that it was safe to lane split at 35mph. When I read the statement from the CVC it just stated that lane splitting was only allowed when traffic was conjested (my interpretation of conjested is moving at less than posted limits), and that the maximum difference between the speed of the conjested traffic and the lane splitter is no more the 10mph. So I guess we are on the same page<G>! My apology.
 

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KEVBRU said:
I was born and raised in Calif. and i have allways lane split, that might not be the most popular but when its rush hour on the 405 and its 100 degrees, you slit. Also, about 60% of the people will move over and give you room if your not an ass about it. Only about 2% of the people will see you and actually block you. Those are the ones to watch out for. I live in the Antelope Valley about 50 miles morth of LA and about 10 LAPD motorcops live out here. If you get on the freeway behind them in traffic, they will let you get right behind them and they will make a path, they have never even givin me a second look or pulled me over, you tell me? The goldwing is a great lane splitter because of the balance and the smooth motor response. Please dont knock lane splitting if you havent really tried it or your just not comfortable with it. I am, and still go home every night.
I agree. I commuted from Orange County to the LA airport (100 miles r/t) for years in the late 90's . I found that drivers often went out of their way to give space to safely pass. I made it a point to be slow and courteous.

I also rode with many commuters at the same time for years together. Lane splitting in packs also felt "more" safe in my view. The secret I found was to watch the drivers left door mirrors and try to confirm they saw me before I would slowly pass by.

I was always most impressed with Goldwing lane splitters also. I remember many times that they'd be cranking their tunes and riding along waving at the people in cars.
 

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biglefti said:
Ben There said:
biglefti said:
[quote="Ben There":1fi85qzz]From the California DMV Page

09.I.06(4) Lane splitting is where one vehicle drives side-by-side or
passes using a lane occupied by another vehicle. It is legal in
California for motorcycles to split lanes, but it creates a
hazardous situation for both motorcyclists and drivers of other
vehicles.
CDH: p. 48

It is legal to split lanes in California and I do it whenever I am there. Splitting lanes has reduced motorcycle fatalities but at the same time it has increased motorcycle accidents.
I would much rather go down and skin my elbow than be smashed between the bumpers of two SUV's.
A side effect of arriving alive by splitting lanes is you arrive early :) In LA traffic you can cover in half an hour what takes three hours in a cage.
The law states that you can ride at up to 35 MPH splitting lanes with traffic when the traffic is moving at less that 25 MPH. When done in that way it is very safe and practical.
Glen
I don't think you have that quite right. If the traffic is stopped and you are traveling 35mph, basically you are dead, or about to become that way. I rode my entire youth on CA freeways on motorcycles. While I never had an accident while lane splitting, I NEVER was running +35mph to the flow of traffic. Also, the CVC only allows for +10mph to the traffic flow.
OK your way then I still agree. So your saying if the traffic is rolling in reverse gear .. needed to be happening in order to be rolling at greater than 35 MPH when you are rolling at 35 MPH then you would not split lanes. I would agree with you in that case. I would not split lanes when traffic is backing up that is for sure. 35 MPH - 25MPH = 10 MPH. we both said the same thing. I just never took into account a situation where traffic would be running in reverse gear on a highway.
Sorry ... just quoting the law.
:)
Glen
Sorry, when I read your post I thought you were saying that when traffic was moving at less than 25mph (which could include not moving or 0mph) that it was safe to lane split at 35mph. When I read the statement from the CVC it just stated that lane splitting was only allowed when traffic was conjested (my interpretation of conjested is moving at less than posted limits), and that the maximum difference between the speed of the conjested traffic and the lane splitter is no more the 10mph. So I guess we are on the same page<G>! My apology.[/quote:1fi85qzz]

Yeah the old less than and up to clause :)
Sorry I got so defensive. I just want to make sure people know that is is legal and it does save lives. I wish it were legal everywhere.
We should not have to stop not pay at toll roads either,,,, but thats another story :)
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I just want to make sure people know that is is legal and it does save lives. I wish it were legal everywhere.

Ditto that, Phoenix gets some bad traffic now and then. It really is a time saver.
 
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