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I did a search but did not find this topic...forgive me if I missed it.

Recently I rode a CanAm Spyder. I have never ridden a "Trike".

I wonder if any of you have ridden both and may comment on the differences.

FWIW...I did not like the CanAm Spyder..felt like and sounded like an over sized golf cart engine...handling was very senstitive...in the curves while the "motorcycle" held to the pavement, I felt like I was about to be thrown off...but this was based on a short first time ride

I am just thinking ahead for the day when I possibly don't (or can't) be on two wheels any longer.
 
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I rode the Can-Am several years back and since then built two Rtikes of my own (www.valk3.com)

I like the design and liked the way the spyder drive however I found the engine to be a real disappointment. The engine is a 900cc twin running high rpm to gather horsepower so at 70 it's running 6500rpm - it's like riding a Yamaha 750 Seca. Pretty busy machine.
The number one question I get is how does your trike compare to the others?
My answer is always the same - I don't know but I assume about the same.

Both corner flat and both have about the same center of gravity. Both have sway bars and run car tires at three corners so technically I would have to think about the same.
Now the Can-Am has an edge with control systems like VSC or vehicle stability control which will not allow you to go into a corner to fast as it will automatically cut the power and brake to keep the unit under control.

I spend about half my time on back roads and gravel so trikes in general are ideal for this type of terrain. The standard trike is comfortable and can carry more stuff than the RT's but the RT is probably regarded as a bit more "sporty"
As far as millage - My Valk got 34mpg prior to triking and now gets 34mpg. I think the standard trikes are worse only due to increase in resistance area caused by the rear enclosure.

I have two RT's and three regular motorcycles right now and to be honest I enjoy the Valk3 the most and it's fun in the corners once you learn the "snowmobile lean"
I also can pull a trailer and have a bicycle rack which I use when out in the woods and local bike trails
 

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Go to spyderlovers.com and search the forum for user "Big Red 1" and read his entries. He has both a Wing trike and a new 2011 spyder.

Most find the spyder takes several hundred miles to get comfortable with, but now he likes his. I've been following this forum for over a year. I think the concept of the spyder is a good one, better than converting a Wing (in my opinion); but the spyder is still way to unreliable and hard to work on for me.
 
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They need to dump the electronic steering assist as the seems to be a real problem also the drive belt is like tire pressure - tighter is better or at least that has been the setup so rear bearings, hubs and even drive pulleys are breaking. This is purely owner miss adjustment as these belts should be slightly loose if done correctly.

I also admit the concept is good and the ride is as soft as the GL. I think more vendors may get serious about providing RT's in the future as they tend to appeal to a greater age group - at least in my opinion.
 

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Can am rides like a quad. Underpowered under a load. Buzzy. Feels cheap in the saddle. Lacks features. Steering in confined quarters can be tiring over time.

Only benefit is price IMO. I've ridden them time after time and still come away wondering what the attraction is.

If I want to ride a quad, I'll ride a quad.
 

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Before triking the wing I took 3 test rides on the Spyder RT touring model thinking that might be the way to go. What I found was a motor that was too small for the bike ,complicated electronics, unkown reliabilty and a fairly high price. Too many reports of having to trailer the bike to the dealer to have the computers reset to make me feel comfortable on a long ride.

To get a Spyder that is comparable to my 08 base model wing with the motor trike kit would run close to $27000. You want intercom/headset capability that's nearly a $1700 option on the base price, Gps bracket and wiring another $400-500 and last I checked there were issues with intergration. Very few aftermarket suppliers so prices are outragious.

Now with all that downside, in 5 years or so I will take another look and if the bugs are worked out I may take the plunge. The wife felt more comfortable on the spyder than the wing but I was more concerned with being stranded 1000's of miles from home.
 

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BIG RED 1 here. I have both GW Motor Trike and a new Spyder. They are different rides and I like my Spyder (Big Red 1 on spyderlovers.com) more each day. It took me 1,000 miles to get the shocks and tire pressure to my personal liking. My Spyder is somewhat smoother and quite comfortable. There have been growing problems, but Can-Am has a couple of company men who answer the phone and work details with each owner. Some trike companies do and some don't. Try getting an answer out of Honda or Suzuki....

I rode demos several times before buying...unless you have 500 plus on a Spyder and it is set up to your liking, ya ain't gonna like it.

There are items that are standard on both the RS (sport) and the RT (touring) that I enjoy. Power steering, stability control, ABS, traction control, electric windshield, paddle shift, etc. I have a CB, XM radio, integrated GPS, etc and like all of these. I have a ton of trunk space.

It ain't perfect. The Rotax 998cc engine is a high rev engine, with a 9,000 rpm redline. I sold my 2007 Suzuki Bandit 1250 last year and it was a HIGH rev machine....6-8,000 rpm all of the time. I love winding my Spyder to 7,000 or so, hitting the paddle to upshift and hanging on. It will move out at 7,000, but not too well at 2,500-3,000 rpm. Like I said, it is a differnt ride and engine.

My Spyder is not buzzy. It has auto tires and if balanced and aired properly, I find it smooth.

It brakes much better than my Motor Trike with large discs on the two front wheels...it stops! Oh, I know, trikes can slide their rear wheels, but that does not stop you as well as two car tires in front.

I like both of my tirkes and they are different rides. Both are keepers.

These comments are my personal opinion and will not debate trike issues here. I have the best of both worlds and that is MY bottom line.
 

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A vehicle is a 'trike' if it has two wheels on one end and 1 wheel on the other. A Can Am Spyder, Grinnall Scorpion, MOG or whatever is every bit as much a trike as is a motorcycle that has had a trike kit installed in place of the rear wheel, etc.
 

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While I agree with a lot of posts that the concept is good I found pretty much the same as you did. Would I dump my Wing for one.......NOPE, no chance at all. I don't much care how reliable the engine is either.....it needs something more than what it has.

I did a search but did not find this topic...forgive me if I missed it.

Recently I rode a CanAm Spyder. I have never ridden a "Trike".

I wonder if any of you have ridden both and may comment on the differences.

FWIW...I did not like the CanAm Spyder..felt like and sounded like an over sized golf cart engine...handling was very senstitive...in the curves while the "motorcycle" held to the pavement, I felt like I was about to be thrown off...but this was based on a short first time ride

I am just thinking ahead for the day when I possibly don't (or can't) be on two wheels any longer.
 
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unless you have 500 plus on a Spyder and it is set up to your liking, ya ain't gonna like it.
I have to totally agree with you here. It took me a while to get tuned in but as it is now - I would dump the wing before the RT as the RT is more sporting, fun and is a go anywhere machine.
 

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I have to totally agree with you here. It took me a while to get tuned in but as it is now - I would dump the wing before the RT as the RT is more sporting, fun and is a go anywhere machine.
The same goes the other way, unless you have spent some time on a well built GL trike you have no basis for your opinion :roll:

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I have a 2010 Wing and my wife has a new Spyder.

I love my Wing and would not want to just ride a Spyder. That said my wife did not like riding any bike and she likes her Spyder.

The biggest difference I note when I ride the Spyder is it is like all other trikes I have ridden. It steers like a car without power steering. You really have to push to get it to corner.

On a bike you just lean into a corner and around you go. On a trike you have to lean into the corner as well or it tends to want to toss you off but the turn takes more effort.

The Spyder is a fun ride just from the interest it generates. I love to take it into town! My Wing never generates any interest but the Spyder does.

As far as power goes the Spyder has enough for my wife to keep up with my Wing without a problem at any speed below 75 or so. The Wing, of course, has lots left to go at 75 but the Spyder is starting to peak out. I'm not saying the Spyder won't go over 75 but I'm saying it won't push you back in the seat over 75.

The one big negative is that the Spyder runs on Premium gas.

Both have a place.

It is the only way I could get the wife to ride with me. Since she likes it I'm a big fan as well. It is much more fun for her to have her own ride rather than being behind me on the Wing.
 

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I did a search but did not find this topic...forgive me if I missed it.

Recently I rode a CanAm Spyder. I have never ridden a "Trike".

I wonder if any of you have ridden both and may comment on the differences.

FWIW...I did not like the CanAm Spyder..felt like and sounded like an over sized golf cart engine...handling was very senstitive...in the curves while the "motorcycle" held to the pavement, I felt like I was about to be thrown off...but this was based on a short first time ride

I am just thinking ahead for the day when I possibly don't (or can't) be on two wheels any longer.

The answer to your question is, they are two different animals. Once you have the chance to ride the other kind of trike you'll feel the difference right a way. The issues most have with a trike are mental not physical. The feeling of being "thrown off" comes from the fact that your mind still believes it's on a motorcycle. When you go around a curve in your car do you feel like you'll be thrown out the door? No, but if your car starts to lean your sense of balance tells you you're in danger....just the opposite of bike vs trike.
 

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I've only been riding a GL1800 based trike for 5 years. I can still remember the first time I tried one after being a 2 wheeler for a long time. I thought I was gonna die. It was like driving a Mack truck. Many people on this board says "it takes a thousand or so miles to master a trike". Sounds like the same happens when you go from 2 rear wheels to 2 front wheels. My theoretical problems with the Can-Am are:
1. 900cc motor vs. 1800 cc motor
2. Cost of fully optioned RT with the trailer is as expensive as some GL1800 trikes
3. Potential/known reliability issues and small Can-Am dealer network
I keep telling myself that I'm gonna give one of these RTs a try. Just never get around 2 it. My $.02 worth
Mike
 

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I have the Goldwing (2-wheel) and until 5 months ago, my wife was riding a Silverwing. Leg problems (we're getting older... damn) resulted in my wife trying out a Can-Am Spyder RT. We both took a test ride double up and swapping positions out and back. When we arrived back at the dealership we looked at each other and said "this is different". Not different as in "oh dear God" different... but not a 2-wheel experience. We were advised by the salesman to come back in 2 or 3 weeks for a second ride and that's what we did. This time just my wife rode it and came back smiling... her comment was "yeah, I can do this" and we signed the papers. She has 2000 miles on it now and loves it more each day. I can still handle the Goldwing but have noted with great interest that Can-Am has a patent for a "leaning" Spyder and this could be my future!
 

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You are correct. There is a learning curve when one moves from one type vehicle to another.

Though the Can Am RT has a bit less horsepower and torque, the vehicle is also lighter than Goldwings converted to trikes.

The price difference between a new Goldwing converted to a trike varies with the trike kit, installation cost, etc. but in most cases the fully warranted Can Am RT is less expensive.

If you reach the point that you are seriously interested in buying a new trike, I do recommend a lengthy test ride.

BTW. Do you agree that the subject of this thread could be better stated? A converted Goldwing is no more a "real" trike than is the Can Am Spyder, IMO.


I've only been riding a GL1800 based trike for 5 years. I can still remember the first time I tried one after being a 2 wheeler for a long time. I thought I was gonna die. It was like driving a Mack truck. Many people on this board says "it takes a thousand or so miles to master a trike". Sounds like the same happens when you go from 2 rear wheels to 2 front wheels. My theoretical problems with the Can-Am are:
1. 900cc motor vs. 1800 cc motor
2. Cost of fully optioned RT with the trailer is as expensive as some GL1800 trikes
3. Potential/known reliability issues and small Can-Am dealer network
I keep telling myself that I'm gonna give one of these RTs a try. Just never get around 2 it. My $.02 worth
Mike
 

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BRP really has done motorcycling a favor in my opinion. They have broken tradition and designed a trike the proper way. While standard wheels back trikes have been around for quite some time none of them address steering or handling. They use a steering system designed for leaning note a stationary attitude. 6 inches of trail 30 degrees caster would make any alignment specialist shudder.
BRP took it upon themselves to design a trike around steering and handling, dual wheels up front for better braking and emergency control. Low caster angles and short trail allows for easy steering and precise control.
On the downside unlike conversion companies you have to like the full package as it's all or nothing. I believe this is where the front conversions have an edge as you get the control and the package you want.
The upcoming trend is wheels forward and Polaris, Elio, and many others are just getting into it or are already there.
 
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