I'm not going to argue with common sense, but in this case, do we know the owner didn't remove and replace his own wheel and put on his own lug nuts?
Rear wheel fell off
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I dunno. But if he had a reason to bring it to the dealer to swap, he could have had the same reason to do it himself, so I was wondering if I'd missed something in the original post. It could have been screwed up at the factory (very doubtful) or at the dealer (less doubtful) or by him (most likely) for some reason we don't know. For instance, maybe he wanted to try a rear CT, then changed his mind (therefore taking it off twice). I had my front and rear wheels off at 200 miles to mount a fender extender on the front and Centramatics on both. I also replaced the rear at 700 miles after having picked up a construction hook.I guess anything is possible, but if bike only has 1200 miles why would he?
And didn't properly torque the lug nuts.I see that now. So somebody took it off and put it back on
I too either do my own work or rigorously check the work of others. On earlier motorcycles I could do everything, but on these later, high-tech, highly-integrated motorcycles, there are jobs for which I lack tools, knowledge, or, increasingly, physical abilities."very doubtful," "less doubtful," "most likely" ...
"most likely" I will always perform all my own work after having been burned by shoddy work performed by dealer mechanics and having direct knowledge of friends and relatives who were told they needed expensive repairs when the repairs were either not needed or way over-priced. Too many people, especially female, have no clue about anything mechanical and get taken advantage of. At the very least when something happens with one of my vehicles I know exactly who performed the last service. Sadly for this individual whose wheel came off the dealer will blame him for having done something to his bike that caused the wheel to come off when the owner probably did nothing. Thankfully he didn't get seriously injured and hopefully his insurance will cover the repair costs when the dealer refuses.
Coming soon from Maxxion: "My Studs Are Falling!"I am sure a video will be posted soon explaining the faulty engineering at Honda that is putting everyone in jeopardy to this widespread problem. Followed by some new and improved Studs and nuts.
Good points. Just for clarification: I don't think anyone said it couldn't be a factory issue, only that the factory is the least-likely of the three possibilities--factory, dealer, home--mentioned, and of course there are other possibilities as well.I would suspect that maybe the owner has talked to a lawyer, and that lawyer directly stated that he cannot talk to the public about anything concerning this incident until after it concludes. So we will be stuck with guessing and second guessing about everything except that he was running a motorcycle tire as pictured. It would take far too much effort to hide a car tire mounted wheel and dig up one with a motorcycle tire for the pictures.
Having experienced my own situation (posted earlier) where 80ft-lb torqued lugs still came loose in a manner that only could be an issue at assembly keeps me from ever saying that "it cannot be a factory issue". As such, a factory issue is still very much in play, and with nothing to prove the rear wheel had been removed after purchase; that factory issue cannot be ruled out legally. But all explanations are guesses. The potential of a pending legal case will slow down any data coming out for any evidence of what really happened or likely happened.
Watch out for a loose rear wheel.Following
Could be anything--factory screw up, shop screw up, owner screw up, or something else we can't even imagine--but one possible reason we don't know who might have changed that wheel is that the owner may have changed it himself and is either embarrassed to admit it, or concerned that admitting he did it and screwed it up might undermine an insurance claim. Or both.Guess that dealer's "tire guy" missed Lug Nut Day when he went to Tire Collage.
I know just what you mean.At least he wasn't injured.
No speculation jumps out except general agreement that if someone over torqued the nuts, well y'all know what happens. Ouch.
Certainly possible. We have reason to suspect a bad batch of Yuasa betteries for the 2018s. Wish we had more details about what preceded this wheel's escape.They need to inspect the lug studs too. Could be Honda did a "Harley" and recently bought a lower bid batch of wheel studs that met specifications, but were of poor quality. This happens a lot in the aircraft and automotive industry.
Can you tie 'em in a knot, can you tie 'em in a bow?I check the oil and lug nuts on my Harley every day before I ride it. Nothing worse than loose nuts…
If a tote board says the odds of a horse winning an upcoming race are 3-1, is that thinking "flawed?"Flawed thinking. I absolutely proved without a doubt that the lugnuts were loose on my new 2022. I have no incentive to make anything up, and I certainly would not loosen them upon delivery to put myself at risk. I think its very safe to suggest that the dealer did not purposely loosen them, but clearly did not check them. So, the only logical conclusion is, they were not properly torqued at the factory.
This whole thread is nuts.
With respect, nobody said it was absolutely the mother ship. Nobody said it was absolutely anything one way or the other. In the absence of anything like evidence, we have--as is our wont and also because on some level we're anxious about it happening to us--speculated about the likeliness of various scenarios. It's possible that it happened at the factory, or at the dealer, or in the OP's driveway (or in some weird other way we can't even imagine because it's outside our experience). Of those first three, it having been improperly reassembled by an amateur mechanic is most likely.LOL, amazing that the default assumption is it's absolutely the owner. I too wondered how this possibly could have happened, and could Honda really have an issue. That was until this bugged me to the point of actually going out to the garage and checking my BRAND NEW 2022 and found the lugnuts were LOOSE.
So, if you guys want to blindly support the mother ship, and insist it's the owner(s) fault, me included, that flawed opinion is totally incorrect. There is no way of knowing how wide spread the issue is, but very clearly my BRAND NEW 2022 had loose lugnuts - PERIOD. There is no debate. While I cannot say for certain what exactly happened with the first guy, I am more inclined now to believe that his lugnuts could have been loose from the factory too.
Carry on.
Also, while it's of course your right to decide your lug nuts came from the factory loose--and it's certainly possible--there's an alternate, (IMO) more-plausible explanation: Your or another Goldwing came from the factory with a damaged wheel or tire. Motorcycles arriving damaged in shipping is a not-uncommon occurrence, and dealers readily swap parts. Rather than lose a sale, the dealer had the shop swap the wheel, and the mecanic's helper assigned to do the swap failed to properly torque the lug nuts. I don't know for a fact that Honda uses robots to assemble the Goldwing, but it's likely they do, and of all the speculated possibilities, lug nuts improperly-installed at the factory is, IMO, simply the least likely.
None of this is flawed thinking, only speculation based on the very little we do know.
You too.Believe what you will.
It's nice that guys get to ride their personal hobby-horses and vent their built-up frustrations regardless of what anybody in a thread has actually said, but just for the record, no one in this thread has said Honda is perfect, doesn't make mistakes, or couldn't be responsible for the OP's loose nuts. This forum in general is a deep and wide repository of complaints about Honda's at-times-poor engineering, follow-through, and decision-making, so much so that people sometimes complain that all we do is complain.
Very possible. Russia invaded Ukraine the day after I took mine out,I think the tire fell off because the owner took the plastic sleeve out of the gas tank.
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