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That's funny! I wonder how much 10 gallons of Amsoil is at Tims'
low, low, everyday price? :22yikes: ...........Jon sends
 

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$191.50 for 10 gallons of 15w40 synthetic blend. $223 for full PAO chemical synthetic 15w40. Some change it every 400,000 miles. https://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1343.pdf?zo=1181889 .

Thanks for asking!
Hello Tim,

I was just visiting the Shell RotellaT site and found some interesting things. Here is a short testimonial from a guy.

400,000 miles in a Dodge Ram Bryon W. - Indiana, I have a 2001 HO Cummins Diesel in my Dodge Ram. I have only used ROTELLA® T since I have owned it. I have been hard on it, and the engine hasn't given me any problems. It has 400,000 miles on it and it's still going strong.



And its only 120 bucks for 10 gallons. Quite a savings !!

Ever wonder why so many people on this board uses RotellaT in their Goldwings ??

Here is my testimonial.

I have mostly used RotellaT Syn in my 2001 Goldwing with 224,000 miles on it with out a single oil related problem !! None !! NADA !!


JMHO :cool:



 

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Hello Tim,

I was just visiting the Shell RotellaT site and found some interesting things. Here is a short testimonial from a guy.

400,000 miles in a Dodge Ram Bryon W. - Indiana, I have a 2001 HO Cummins Diesel in my Dodge Ram. I have only used ROTELLA® T since I have owned it. I have been hard on it, and the engine hasn't given me any problems. It has 400,000 miles on it and it's still going strong.

And its only 120 bucks for 10 gallons. Quite a savings !!
But how often did he change it, every 5,000 miles? Quite expensive!

Ever wonder why so many people on this board uses RotellaT in their Goldwings ??
Not really. Ever wonder why so many Rotella employees run AMSOIL? A few are my customers.


Here is my testimonial.
I have mostly used RotellaT Syn in my 2001 Goldwing with 224,000 miles on it with out a single oil related problem !! None !! NADA !!


JMHO :cool:
How many of those miles were with the old defunct, no longer available Rotella T Syn API CI4+ and older formulation, all of them? And how many miles are with the new "environmentally friendly" reformulated current available Rotella T API CJ4+ synthetic? None?? NADA?

So there is no long term anecdotal use of the new Rotella in GoldWings?

Why take a chance?

Thank you for your questions!
 

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But how often did he change it, every 5,000 miles? Quite expensive!

Not really. Ever wonder why so many Rotella employees run AMSOIL? A few are my customers.

How many of those miles were with the old defunct, no longer available Rotella T Syn API CI4+ and older formulation, all of them? And how many miles are with the new "environmentally friendly" reformulated current available Rotella T API CJ4+ synthetic? None?? NADA?

So there is no long term anecdotal use of the new Rotella in GoldWings?

Why take a chance?

Thank you for your questions!

He changed it every 32,000 miles as far as I know.

You told of a guy who went 400,000 miles in between changes but his sump was 10 gallons. Works out to about 10,000 miles per quart.. Pretty light duty in my opinion.


You are the only ex shell employee that I know of that runs Amsoil. They sure as heck didn't line up at the Amsoil counter after you left did they ??

I change the RotellaT in my motorcycle every 16,000 miles or so. Costs me about 12 dollars a change. I still have some left on the shelf and have not even seen the so called new RotellaT.. But you can bet that if it still works in diesel trucks, it will work in my Goldwing and I will have ZERO oil related problems with it. If the NEW RotellaT is not worthy, I will use that Mobile 1 Turbo oil you were talking about, sounds like a very good substitute for oil in the Wing.

I bet we have more RotellaT users on this board than you do.

I would NEVER take a chance on my oils !!


JMHO :cool:
 

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I believe if you use any oil that meets manufactures recomendation your engine will out last every other part on the cycle.
So what is the point of putting high dollar oil in?
Are you going to replace all the other parts that will wearout or just buy a complete bike for about 1/4 the price of replacing all the wore out parts.
If you add up the price of all the parts on the wing that are ging to need replacing by the time our engine fails because of wear you can buy 4 brand new bikes!
So you guys that like to pay the most for every thing you have just buy the wing piece by piece and put the most expensive oil in it and tell all you friends you have the best money can buy because you paid the most!

Here is some info on the rotella synthetic oil you are buying:simple fact, a true syn oil is a better oil. true syn oil is worth the extra cost for those that reuire the extra protection or want to go to a extended drain schedule. many people using "conventional oil" get great uoa reports. rotella 5-40 is not a true (pao) syn oil. for me rotella 5-40 is not worth the extra cost, it is priced the same as a true syn oil however it is not a true syn oil so your best of both worlds does not add up for me. why would someone want to pay the price for a true syn oil and get a conventional oil?.
 

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He changed it every 32,000 miles as far as I know.

You told of a guy who went 400,000 miles in between changes but his sump was 10 gallons. Works out to about 10,000 miles per quart.. Pretty light duty in my opinion.
So with his 10 quart sump, works out to about 3,200 miles per quart. Much lighter (1/3) duty in my opinion

You are the only ex shell employee that I know of that runs Amsoil. They sure as heck didn't line up at the Amsoil counter after you left did they ??
They sure as heck did. I have several ex Shell employees as my customers and several current Shell employees as customers. Most are executives and research guys. I don't know of any AMSOIL employee running Rotella or other Shell products. Except gasoline. Shell makes the best gasoline!

I bet we have more RotellaT users on this board than you do.
Safe bet. I don't have any Rotella T users. I do have a lot of ex-Rotella users using AMSOIL that have never gone back.

JMHO :cool:[/quote]
 

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$191.50 for 10 gallons of 15w40 synthetic blend. $223 for full PAO chemical synthetic 15w40. Some change it every 400,000 miles. https://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1343.pdf?zo=1181889 .

Thanks for asking!

I don't think that is economical, but if you do, I'd like to ask
you if you'd be interested in a good deal on a pre-paid
service plan for your automobiles, or possibly a really
good deal on pre-paid funeral arrangements? AND
I'll finance it for you too! Tim, you are too much
From Shell scientist to oil salesman/evangalist, now
that's job progression. ...............Jon sends
 

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I don't think that is economical, but if you do, I'd like to ask
you if you'd be interested in a good deal on a pre-paid
service plan for your automobiles, or possibly a really
good deal on pre-paid funeral arrangements? AND
I'll finance it for you too! Tim, you are too much
From Shell scientist to oil salesman/evangalist, now
that's job progression. ...............Jon sends
You don't think it is economical for a single 400,000 mile oil change? How often do you change your oil? What do you pay?

Let's see...more money, set my own hours, fewer hours, less stress, unlimited vacation time, no commutes, no boss other than customers, no employees, no suits and ties, and I also consult for a major NASA contractor. You're right, it is job progression.

Thank you for pointing that out!
 

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Why is Amsoil so expensive? Answer: Direct
marketing. Now Tim will tell you that it is
cheaper per mile to use his products. He
is a salesman and that is just not true.
My friends and I use Rotella T-Syn from pails @ $3/quart.
We run it the recommended change intervals...some even
run it 12 months or 12 Thousand miles. It costs us
less than one fourth the cost of using Amsoil....NO
MATTER WHAT TIM SAYS TO THE CONTRARY.

There is absolutely no evidence or proof that
using Amsoil will provide a longer or more trouble free
engine life in any engine as compared to regular
maintenance with any other good products....PERIOD.

Hey, it's America, use what you want. There are, and
always will be those who feel that spending more on
something makes it better. Amsoil knows this. The
oldest psychological marketing approach is to make
the buyer believe that he is spending his money
well and is smarter and better off by buying their
product. This is another strategy of direct
marketing that you just don't see other companies
using....why? Answer: because Amsoil's strategy
is to market an "exclusive product" for a maximum
price and maximum profit.

NOW, don't get me wrong...Amsoil makes good products.
BUT, they're not that good. If they were "that good"
they would be available right beside their best competion
and competively priced. Why aren't they? Answer
again is: Direct Marketing. They make their prodcts
just a little bit better than they "need to be" and then
exploit the "we're" better " to a very specific and
predictable % of customers who will spend more
for their product. Lets face it, many of our male egos
are overly attached to our vehicles and feel like "nothing
is too good for our babies" When in fact many other
products will provide the same reliability and service
at a much lower cost.....period

I don't hate Amsoil, I don't dislike Tim....But I don't
see Rotella salesmen, and Mobil One salesman
telling us why their oil is the best and telling us
why the others are not good on this board
Why? Answer: because Tim is an Amsoil Salesman
using this board for his own benefit. If I or "we"
went to Tim as prospective soliciting customers wanting
information from him, it would be entirely different.

Thanks for listening............Jon sends
 

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Why is Amsoil so expensive? Answer: Direct
marketing. Now Tim will tell you that it is
cheaper per mile to use his products. He
is a salesman and that is just not true.
My friends and I use Rotella T-Syn from pails @ $3/quart.
We run it the recommended change intervals...some even
run it 12 months or 12 Thousand miles. It costs us
less than one fourth the cost of using Amsoil....NO
MATTER WHAT TIM SAYS TO THE CONTRARY.

There is absolutely no evidence or proof that
using Amsoil will provide a longer or more trouble free
engine life in any engine as compared to regular
maintenance with any other good products....PERIOD.

Hey, it's America, use what you want. There are, and
always will be those who feel that spending more on
something makes it better. Amsoil knows this. The
oldest psychological marketing approach is to make
the buyer believe that he is spending his money
well and is smarter and better off by buying their
product. This is another strategy of direct
marketing that you just don't see other companies
using....why? Answer: because Amsoil's strategy
is to market an "exclusive product" for a maximum
price and maximum profit.

NOW, don't get me wrong...Amsoil makes good products.
BUT, they're not that good. If they were "that good"
they would be available right beside their best competion
and competively priced. Why aren't they? Answer
again is: Direct Marketing. They make their prodcts
just a little bit better than they "need to be" and then
exploit the "we're" better " to a very specific and
predictable % of customers who will spend more
for their product. Lets face it, many of our male egos
are overly attached to our vehicles and feel like "nothing
is too good for our babies" When in fact many other
products will provide the same reliability and service
at a much lower cost.....period

I don't hate Amsoil, I don't dislike Tim....But I don't
see Rotella salesmen, and Mobil One salesman
telling us why their oil is the best and telling us
why the others are not good on this board
Why? Answer: because Tim is an Amsoil Salesman
using this board for his own benefit. If I or "we"
went to Tim as prospective soliciting customers wanting
information from him, it would be entirely different.

Thanks for listening............Jon sends
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Hey Tim. You need to work on your marketing. That guy on the other board is a "T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber". Now that sounds like a real important title to me. I'll bet he knows all sorts of fancy words. You oughtta get one of those.
 

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Why is Amsoil so expensive? Answer: Direct
marketing.
Not true. AMSOIL uses more expensive and higher performing base oils and additive packages, and is competitively priced with other full chemical synthetic oils and has a longer warranty.

Now Tim will tell you that it is
cheaper per mile to use his products. He
is a salesman and that is just not true.
My friends and I use Rotella T-Syn from pails @ $3/quart.
We run it the recommended change intervals...some even
run it 12 months or 12 Thousand miles. It costs us
less than one fourth the cost of using Amsoil....NO
MATTER WHAT TIM SAYS TO THE CONTRARY.
Not true. You can buy AMSOIL 10W30 JASO MA2 oil that meets all of the listed specifications in the owners manual (Rotella does not list even the lower JASO MA on the label or data sheets in the US) in convenient quart bottles (no need to pour from a pail) for $87.15 a case ($7.26 a quart) and change it every 16,000 warranted miles up to a year (Jon's 12,000 mile oil changes has no warranty coverage). So Jon's cost per mile is 0.10 cents per mile with no warranty for 12,000 miles. The AMSOIL is 0.18 cents per mile with oil warranty for 16,000 miles. Less than 1/2 the cost, not the 1/4th cost Jon states. The AMSOIL 30 weight full chemical PAO synthetic will also get better fuel economy than a 40 weight petroleum synthetic oil. If Jon gets 40mpg with Rotella and pays $2 for a gallon gasoline, it costs him $800 for 16,000 miles in gas. If Jon were to gain 1 mpg with AMSOIL, it would cost him $780 in gas, a $20 dollar savings. So Jon's unwarranted oil change costs $16 for oil, $800 in gas for a total of $816 for 16,000 miles. The AMSOIL warranted oil change costs $29.05 for oil, $780 for gas, for a total of $809.05, saving $6.95 over the Rotella oil changes every 16,000 miles.

There is absolutely no evidence or proof that
using Amsoil will provide a longer or more trouble free
engine life in any engine as compared to regular
maintenance with any other good products....PERIOD.
Not true. You might want to talk to the Texas State Police who have used AMSOIL products in 3,000 cars for the past 10 years. Not only have they switched from 2,000 to 3,000 mile oil change intervals, to 22,000 mile oil change intervals in their 3,000 cars over the past 10 years, but used oil analysis and engine tear downs show less wear and they have had fewer repairs.


NOW, don't get me wrong...Amsoil makes good products.
BUT, they're not that good. If they were "that good"
they would be available right beside their best competion
and competively priced. .
Not true. AMSOIL constantly shows their products outperform the competition in independent testing, and the competion does not dispute it. They are right beside the competition in over 100 stores in the Houston area. AMSOIL is competitively priced with other full chemical synthetic PAO oils.
I don't hate Amsoil, I don't dislike Tim....But I don't
see Rotella salesmen, and Mobil One salesman
telling us why their oil is the best and telling us
why the others are not good on this board
Why?
Because they know they are not better than AMSOIL. I've never said the others are not good when used for their recommended and approved applications.

Thank you for your questions!
 

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You don't think it is economical for a single 400,000 mile oil change? How often do you change your oil? What do you pay?

Let's see...more money, set my own hours, fewer hours, less stress, unlimited vacation time, no commutes, no boss other than customers, no employees, no suits and ties, and I also consult for a major NASA contractor. You're right, it is job progression.

Thank you for pointing that out!
Tim, I know you are what you do...and you are a salesman.

Are you telling me I can put your super duper Amsoil in
my vehicles and leave it there for 400,000 miles? I doubt
it and this is another example of your omission/misleading
tactics...or as my Mom would say, "a liar is a liar and
believes his own lies"

Here is a 4th grade story problem for you to figure out
Take your time and try real hard.

Jon's oil cost $12 dollars to change and Tim's oil cost
$48 dollars to change. The recommended change interval is
8000 miles for Jon's oil and 16,000 miles for Tims oil
and regardless of miles each should be changed at
least annually. Jon and Tim both drive their vehicles
15,000 miles per year. What is the cost for each Jon and
Tim to go three years or 36,000 miles?

OK, there is no time limit and you may use your
Texas Instrument Y2K Amsoil special edition calculator.

Let us all know what you come up with. Thanks......Jon sends
 

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Hey Tim. You need to work on your marketing. That guy on the other board is a "T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber". Now that sounds like a real important title to me. I'll bet he knows all sorts of fancy words. You oughtta get one of those.
I've already got those, and some. Those are important. It shows he is a succesful businessman and knows the products and business well. I've been T-1 for 5 years. I am a Premier Direct Jobber, so I likely have more sales.

Thank you for the thought.
 

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Tim, I know you are what you do...and you are a salesman.

Are you telling me I can put your super duper Amsoil in
my vehicles and leave it there for 400,000 miles? I doubt
it and this is another example of your omission/misleading
tactics...
Others have done it. It will even be warranted if you have regular used oil analysis done, and it shows you can continue without changing your oil.
Here is a 4th grade story problem for you to figure out
Take your time and try real hard.

Jon's oil cost $12 dollars to change and Tim's oil cost
$48 dollars to change.
Wrong already. As I said above, I only pay $29.04 for an oil change.
The recommended change interval is
8000 miles for Jon's oil
Wrong again. Since Rotella does not list the JASO MA listed in the GL manual, there is no recommended oil change interval as it would not be a recommended oil for that application.
and 16,000 miles for Tims oil
and regardless of miles each should be changed at
least annually. Jon and Tim both drive their vehicles
15,000 miles per year. What is the cost for each Jon and
Tim to go three years or 36,000 miles?
Jon requires 4 unwarranted oil changes at a cost of $48, and Tim's 3 warranted oil changes cost $87.12. So for less than $13.05 a year, Tim gets an oil warranty and sleeps well at night, Jon gets none. Less than twice as much and not 4 times as much as Jon calculated earlier. Looks like I passed, and you failed the basic math test.

Now figure that Jon using a nonwarranted SAE 15W40 petroleum synthetic oil gets 40 mpg and Tim using a warranted 10W30 JASO MA2 PAO chemical synthetic oil gets 41 mpg. At $2 a gallon for 36,000 miles, Jon spends $1800 in gas. Tim spends $1756. Jon's unwarranted total oil and gas cost $1848. Tim's warranted total oil and gas cost $1843. With Tim's savings, he can buy Jon a calculator.
 
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