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Thoughts on the various Navigation options 2018+ Wings have

I do not use nor am interested in an attached Nav system like Garmin or Tom Tom. Nor am I interested in Basecamp…tried it and didn’t like it.

Just completed a six-day ride covering over 1800 miles.

Did primary route planning on my PC - not in the apps on my phone. Used Google Maps, Kurviger, and Rever websites. Planned the exact same routes on all three sites. Uploaded the routes to OEM Goldwing Nav (Rever), Rever App (Rever), InRoute App (Google Maps), and Scenic App (Kurviger).

Since I ride with my phone in the center pocket and not on the handlebars - while riding I'm limited to, using the OEM Goldwing Nav and Apple Car Play capable apps (Rever and InRoute) for route navigation.

Used Scenic and Rever apps for route recording.

Used Footpath app, Apple Maps app, and Google Maps app for no notice route replanning / re-routing. Thinking of starting to bring an iPad to use when needing extensive replanning – that way I can use the websites vice the apps on the phone.

All systems (Goldwing Nav, Rever, Scenic, InRoute, Footpath, Google Maps, and Apple Maps) have benefits and drawbacks.

On the fly route replanning apps: Footpath, Google Maps, Apple Maps

Footpath app (free version) - used for short notice route replanning.

Pluses: Route planning using finger trace, snaps to roads, good for ride planning vice destination routing

Mixed: think my finger is too thick because some of the route choices it made were not what I intended. Due to having to make corrections, I could still plan almost as fast using Scenic, Rever, Google Maps, or Apple Maps

Negatives: No ACP. Can only plan what is on the screen - easier to plan long routes on other apps and get them right the first time.

Outcome: Will keep it - for now - for on the road short distance route planning but lack of ACP, fat finger misrouting, and lack of longer distance planning is a huge limitation for me.

Google Maps App - used for short notice route replanning.

Pluses: ACP including voice, very fast processing, shows traffic, excellent at destination routing

Mixed: Voice commands not always understood. Map and Voice could be better at providing earlier warning on turns and directions. Not so good at ride (specific road / route) planning

Negatives: App occasionally hangs up and interferes with other ACP functions. – think it is an iOS 15 problem. Must have cell service.

Outcome: Will keep it as backup #2 but use Footpath for replanning and Apple Maps for voice commands

Apple Maps App - used for short notice route replanning

Pluses: ACP including voice, very fast processing, shows traffic, excellent at destination routing

Mixed: Voice commands not always understood. Map and Voice could be better at providing earlier warning on turns and directions. Not so good at ride (specific road / route) planning

Negatives: Must have call service

Outcome: Will keep it as primary voice command for destination routing, use Footpath for route replanning

Navigation Routing and Recording: InRoute, Rever, Scenic, OEM Goldwing Nav

InRoute (Free version)

Pluses: ACP, changeable map scale

Mixed: Map and Voice could be better at providing earlier warning on turns.

Negatives: I don't like the interface, harder to transfer routes from planning websites than other apps

Outcome: will be deleting - other apps have more features and are more intuitive for me to use



Rever (Paid version) - Screen shot at bottom of doc

Pluses: ACP, Live ride tracking (share a link with others so they can see where you are at), route planning on PC is automatically integrated into app, export in format for 2018+ Goldwing Nav, offline maps

Key likes: Integration with route planning website, Live tracking, Plays the recorded ride, elevation and map location are integrated. Includes start and end temps.

Mixed: Route recording - it shuts off far too quickly when at a fuel or food stop or stuck in traffic jams. resulting lost ride route or having to fiddle with the app more. Map and Voice could be better at providing earlier warning on turns.

Negatives: Map scale is fixed at short range. No lifetime subscription, only Annual subscription (there is a very limited capability free version). Can’t start app from ACP must manually start from phone.

Wish it had: Speed chart, longer pause for recording, much smaller header when viewing routes

Outcome: A back up for both recording and for ACP nav.



Scenic (Paid version) – Screen shot a bottom of doc

Pluses: Most intuitive to me. Route recording - doesn't turn off till told to, off line maps, lifetime subscription. Integrated with Kurviger. Download route from Google Maps using just a link

Key likes: Speed chart as well as elevation chart – both are integrated with the map. Elevation and Speed Graphics charts are color coded.

Mixed: Voice could be better at providing earlier warning on turns. Easy to download routes planned in Kurviger or Google Maps but not fully integrated like Rever

Negatives: No ACP (coming in spring 2022). No live ride tracking, does not have route export in 2018+ Nav format.

Wish it had: Route Play Capability, Start and end temp, and seamless integration with a route planning website like Rever has

Outcome: Preferred app for recording. Waiting on ACP capability to see where it falls out for Nav

There is a very limited capability free version, a yearly subscription, and a one-time lifetime subscription.



OEM Goldwing Nav

Pluses: Shows next three turns, excellent map and voice warnings and directions. Many very useful features embedded and displayed that are not found in any of the ACP capable apps.

Mixed: Bike position on map offset a bit too much to the left in some views, integrated traffic but only if having XM subscription. Sometimes a few too many voice warnings (example " Caution, Motorway")

Negatives: Very slow to calculate routes, occasionally poor city rerouting when using XM Satellite traffic inputs. Doesn't show traffic unless it has a route, changing route is a pain.

Outcome: See below

Wish list for Mother Honda: Split screen with Nav on one side and audio or ACP on the other side



Final Assessment:
OEM Goldwing Nav is my preferred on the road Nav system by a wide margin.

Will continue to use the OEM Goldwing Nav as my primary Navigation system - I really really like it

For route planning (PC/iPad), back up routing, and ride recording, will eventually settle on a combination of either the Rever website and Rever app or Kurviger website and Scenic app. Waiting on Scenic ACP roll out and Rever ACP update to assess which way I go with the websites and apps.

Will use Apple Maps for short notice destination routing, especially using voice commands. Will keep playing with Footpath to see if I have enough use for it to keep it.

Cheers

Richard

P.S.

Rider and Passenger were using Sena SRL-2 (a 20S in a Shoei form) in our J-Cruise II helmets. Didn’t use our +Meshs

The SRL-2s were rock solid. Lasted over 10 hours a day without recharging. Did recharge at lunch (plugged into the bike trickle charger) on day 6- just in case – since it was a 12+ hour day.

Didn’t have the headsets paired to either phone.

Initialization was always 1) let the headsets get fully started before 2) turning on and connecting to the bike.

Only had to occasionally have the bike prompt a connection to a headset.

Background noise cancellation for intercom was poor at highway speeds or windy conditions.

Music, phone, CB, and Nav (Goldwing or Apps) audio was very good overall (CB had other dependencies) Intercom was only good except at highway speeds or windy conditions.

Had to speak loudly to get the mics to trigger and keep the intercom active, even with no background noise.

Talk radio was understandable to marginal at highway speeds/windy conditions.

P.P.S. Look forward to exploring the two XM antenna option. Had a lot of drops in areas with some blockage (tree lined roads for example).

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Thoughts on the various Navigation options 2018+ Wings have

I do not use nor am interested in an attached Nav system like Garmin or Tom Tom. Nor am I interested in Basecamp…tried it and didn’t like it.

Just completed a six-day ride covering over 1800 miles.

Did primary route planning on my PC - not in the apps on my phone. Used Google Maps, Kurviger, and Rever websites. Planned the exact same routes on all three sites. Uploaded the routes to OEM Goldwing Nav (Rever), Rever App (Rever), InRoute App (Google Maps), and Scenic App (Kurviger).

Since I ride with my phone in the center pocket and not on the handlebars - while riding I'm limited to, using the OEM Goldwing Nav and Apple Car Play capable apps (Rever and InRoute) for route navigation.

Used Scenic and Rever apps for route recording.

Used Footpath app, Apple Maps app, and Google Maps app for no notice route replanning / re-routing. Thinking of starting to bring an iPad to use when needing extensive replanning – that way I can use the websites vice the apps on the phone.

All systems (Goldwing Nav, Rever, Scenic, InRoute, Footpath, Google Maps, and Apple Maps) have benefits and drawbacks.

On the fly route replanning apps: Footpath, Google Maps, Apple Maps

Footpath app (free version) - used for short notice route replanning.

Pluses: Route planning using finger trace, snaps to roads, good for ride planning vice destination routing

Mixed: think my finger is too thick because some of the route choices it made were not what I intended. Due to having to make corrections, I could still plan almost as fast using Scenic, Rever, Google Maps, or Apple Maps

Negatives: No ACP. Can only plan what is on the screen - easier to plan long routes on other apps and get them right the first time.

Outcome: Will keep it - for now - for on the road short distance route planning but lack of ACP, fat finger misrouting, and lack of longer distance planning is a huge limitation for me.

Google Maps App - used for short notice route replanning.

Pluses: ACP including voice, very fast processing, shows traffic, excellent at destination routing

Mixed: Voice commands not always understood. Map and Voice could be better at providing earlier warning on turns and directions. Not so good at ride (specific road / route) planning

Negatives: App occasionally hangs up and interferes with other ACP functions. – think it is an iOS 15 problem. Must have cell service.

Outcome: Will keep it as backup #2 but use Footpath for replanning and Apple Maps for voice commands

Apple Maps App - used for short notice route replanning

Pluses: ACP including voice, very fast processing, shows traffic, excellent at destination routing

Mixed: Voice commands not always understood. Map and Voice could be better at providing earlier warning on turns and directions. Not so good at ride (specific road / route) planning

Negatives: Must have call service

Outcome: Will keep it as primary voice command for destination routing, use Footpath for route replanning

Navigation Routing and Recording: InRoute, Rever, Scenic, OEM Goldwing Nav

InRoute (Free version)

Pluses: ACP, changeable map scale

Mixed: Map and Voice could be better at providing earlier warning on turns.

Negatives: I don't like the interface, harder to transfer routes from planning websites than other apps

Outcome: will be deleting - other apps have more features and are more intuitive for me to use



Rever (Paid version) - Screen shot at bottom of doc

Pluses: ACP, Live ride tracking (share a link with others so they can see where you are at), route planning on PC is automatically integrated into app, export in format for 2018+ Goldwing Nav, offline maps

Key likes: Integration with route planning website, Live tracking, Plays the recorded ride, elevation and map location are integrated. Includes start and end temps.

Mixed: Route recording - it shuts off far too quickly when at a fuel or food stop or stuck in traffic jams. resulting lost ride route or having to fiddle with the app more. Map and Voice could be better at providing earlier warning on turns.

Negatives: Map scale is fixed at short range. No lifetime subscription, only Annual subscription (there is a very limited capability free version). Can’t start app from ACP must manually start from phone.

Wish it had: Speed chart, longer pause for recording, much smaller header when viewing routes

Outcome: A back up for both recording and for ACP nav.



Scenic (Paid version) – Screen shot a bottom of doc

Pluses: Most intuitive to me. Route recording - doesn't turn off till told to, off line maps, lifetime subscription. Integrated with Kurviger. Download route from Google Maps using just a link

Key likes: Speed chart as well as elevation chart – both are integrated with the map. Elevation and Speed Graphics charts are color coded.

Mixed: Voice could be better at providing earlier warning on turns. Easy to download routes planned in Kurviger or Google Maps but not fully integrated like Rever

Negatives: No ACP (coming in spring 2022). No live ride tracking, does not have route export in 2018+ Nav format.

Wish it had: Route Play Capability, Start and end temp, and seamless integration with a route planning website like Rever has

Outcome: Preferred app for recording. Waiting on ACP capability to see where it falls out for Nav

There is a very limited capability free version, a yearly subscription, and a one-time lifetime subscription.



OEM Goldwing Nav

Pluses: Shows next three turns, excellent map and voice warnings and directions. Many very useful features embedded and displayed that are not found in any of the ACP capable apps.

Mixed: Bike position on map offset a bit too much to the left in some views, integrated traffic but only if having XM subscription. Sometimes a few too many voice warnings (example " Caution, Motorway")

Negatives: Very slow to calculate routes, occasionally poor city rerouting when using XM Satellite traffic inputs. Doesn't show traffic unless it has a route, changing route is a pain.

Outcome: See below

Wish list for Mother Honda: Split screen with Nav on one side and audio or ACP on the other side



Final Assessment:
OEM Goldwing Nav is my preferred on the road Nav system by a wide margin.

Will continue to use the OEM Goldwing Nav as my primary Navigation system - I really really like it

For route planning (PC/iPad), back up routing, and ride recording, will eventually settle on a combination of either the Rever website and Rever app or Kurviger website and Scenic app. Waiting on Scenic ACP roll out and Rever ACP update to assess which way I go with the websites and apps.

Will use Apple Maps for short notice destination routing, especially using voice commands. Will keep playing with Footpath to see if I have enough use for it to keep it.

Cheers

Richard

P.S.

Rider and Passenger were using Sena SRL-2 (a 20S in a Shoei form) in our J-Cruise II helmets. Didn’t use our +Meshs

The SRL-2s were rock solid. Lasted over 10 hours a day without recharging. Did recharge at lunch (plugged into the bike trickle charger) on day 6- just in case – since it was a 12+ hour day.

Didn’t have the headsets paired to either phone.

Initialization was always 1) let the headsets get fully started before 2) turning on and connecting to the bike.

Only had to occasionally have the bike prompt a connection to a headset.

Background noise cancellation for intercom was poor at highway speeds or windy conditions.

Music, phone, CB, and Nav (Goldwing or Apps) audio was very good overall (CB had other dependencies) Intercom was only good except at highway speeds or windy conditions.

Had to speak loudly to get the mics to trigger and keep the intercom active, even with no background noise.

Talk radio was understandable to marginal at highway speeds/windy conditions.

P.P.S. Look forward to exploring the two XM antenna option. Had a lot of drops in areas with some blockage (tree lined roads for example).

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An excellent review, thank you. We are thinking of doing Route 66 next spring and I was just starting to research nav option so your review is very welcomed.
 

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An excellent review, thank you. We are thinking of doing Route 66 next spring and I was just starting to research nav option so your review is very welcomed.
Thanks!

I found the easiest way to route plan and then move the route to the Wing was to use the Rever website. Plan it, download it to your USB stick in 2018 Wing format, upload it to the bike, done. If you are a Cycle Gear RPM member, you get Rever's pro version for free

Kurviger is a bit more complex to use for route planning and doesn't format to the 2018 wing, thought it will work if you know the little things to do.
 

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Thanks!

I found the easiest way to route plan and then move the route to the Wing was to use the Rever website. Plan it, download it to your USB stick in 2018 Wing format, upload it to the bike, done. If you are a Cycle Gear RPM member, you get Rever's pro version for free

Kurviger is a bit more complex to use for route planning and doesn't format to the 2018 wing, thought it will work if you know the little things to do.
Thanks, I’ll look at Rever and I am not familiar with Cycle Gear RPM so will investigate that too. I just got my 2018 Tour DCT in July of this year - moved from a Yamaha vStar 1300 Tourer - so am still learning about the wing but loving it so far.
 

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On our 8 day trip a few weeks ago, I used Rever to plan the route, used the Honda 2018+ output to thumb drive, and then loaded into the Honda OEM nav as a backup. Primary was to start Rever on the phone using turn by turn directions, and then plug it into the USB port, carplay would start and pick up the Rever app and I'd get nice turn by turn directions from Rever on the Honda screen.

This worked well for all days but one, there was a road closed for construction, and as luck would have it, one of the pins dropped in Rever to shape the route was on that closed road. Rever has no way (that I've found) to skip a waypoint, so Rever kept wanting to route me back to that point. No good!

So, I reverted to the Rever saved route in the Honda nav, cleared all of the waypoints up until the next waypoint in the route (quite a pain in the ass actually), and we were on our way.

I still much prefer the BMW (nee Garmin) Nav 5 I use on the GS. I have a very nice procedure to plan in google mymaps, output to basecamp, and then download to the Nav 5. It is 100% reliable and always follows the routes as I plan them. The Nav 5 has a very easy to use and quick way to skip waypoints as needed.

Oh well, still learning, but for the Honda I still like Rever as #1, Honda nav as #2. Like you, I am loath to drop big bucks on a Garmin Nuvi when I have that nice big screen in the center of the dash!
 

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Great reviews thanks my friend

I use Apple Maps primarily here in Atlanta area as always have cell service etc and short routes 65miles etc for escorts I do. Like much better than google maps. It shows delays and speed limits etc and works just great with my iPhone.

Have cardo bold bt to bike and CarPlay to my phone using Car2
Play wireless adapter.


Works same way as wired in having to use setup procedures for CarPlay:

Bike on, headset on, connected established, connect unit to usb. It works great on my Honda truck without ever having to connect etc again once done so obviously the issue is with how Honda implemented acp on Goldwing.

Used rever to plan route, downloaded to usb, upload to bike and tried oem nav on trip to wing ding. Never worked right with missed waypoints etc. keep trying to take me back to start since I started using route 200 miles into trip since knew the way.

Would love use built in nav, but it always has trouble finding my local address etc around here and takes way to long for short haul it seems.

Imho


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Hmmmm I crossed Canada and back and rode through most US states and parts of Europe before Nav was available and somehow made it. This year with Nav, I have ridden 30k km including a cross Canada trip, and Vancouver to Alaska border. Perhaps due to my motorcycles not having Nav previously and rarely using one in a car, I am unfamiliar with the difficulties described. What I do is look up cities on Google Maps, book motels using motel app and then just put the motel address in as a destination on Goldwing Nav. I actually dont use a route and just put in a destination each day. Seems like my unsophisticated version is missing a lot but I get there. PLus a lot of time I just ignore/mute it
 

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I have a '16 with navigation, and although it is slow and buggy at times, I find myself using the integrated system over any phone-based apps...though I do record rides with Rever Pro. I have no interest in a separate Garmin system that I would not feel comfortable leaving on the bike at any extended stop where my eyes are not on the bike, so that would involve removing and re-installing the unit. No thanks, I will stick with the factory unit, it gets the job done well enough without any external device help.
 
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I use the OEM nav all the time.....on short and long trips. The only negative I have is I have trouble saving addresses. Prob just the way I am doing it. I usually don't produce a route, but will input the next address. I always carry a piece of paper with them on it,,,old school, but it works for me. I choose not to have more stuff on the handle bars than necessary.
 

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Thank you for the comparison. I hear horror stories on the OEM system and my BMW uses a Garmin. I love the different option the Wing has but also like to find gas stations or restaurants on the fly without having to pull over. Hope to Get my new Wing in January so your review was great timing.
 

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Thoughts on the various Navigation options 2018+ Wings have

I do not use nor am interested in an attached Nav system like Garmin or Tom Tom. Nor am I interested in Basecamp…tried it and didn’t like it.

Just completed a six-day ride covering over 1800 miles.

Did primary route planning on my PC - not in the apps on my phone. Used Google Maps, Kurviger, and Rever websites. Planned the exact same routes on all three sites. Uploaded the routes to OEM Goldwing Nav (Rever), Rever App (Rever), InRoute App (Google Maps), and Scenic App (Kurviger).

Since I ride with my phone in the center pocket and not on the handlebars - while riding I'm limited to, using the OEM Goldwing Nav and Apple Car Play capable apps (Rever and InRoute) for route navigation.

Used Scenic and Rever apps for route recording.

Used Footpath app, Apple Maps app, and Google Maps app for no notice route replanning / re-routing. Thinking of starting to bring an iPad to use when needing extensive replanning – that way I can use the websites vice the apps on the phone.

All systems (Goldwing Nav, Rever, Scenic, InRoute, Footpath, Google Maps, and Apple Maps) have benefits and drawbacks.

On the fly route replanning apps: Footpath, Google Maps, Apple Maps

Footpath app (free version) - used for short notice route replanning.

Pluses: Route planning using finger trace, snaps to roads, good for ride planning vice destination routing

Mixed: think my finger is too thick because some of the route choices it made were not what I intended. Due to having to make corrections, I could still plan almost as fast using Scenic, Rever, Google Maps, or Apple Maps

Negatives: No ACP. Can only plan what is on the screen - easier to plan long routes on other apps and get them right the first time.

Outcome: Will keep it - for now - for on the road short distance route planning but lack of ACP, fat finger misrouting, and lack of longer distance planning is a huge limitation for me.

Google Maps App - used for short notice route replanning.

Pluses: ACP including voice, very fast processing, shows traffic, excellent at destination routing

Mixed: Voice commands not always understood. Map and Voice could be better at providing earlier warning on turns and directions. Not so good at ride (specific road / route) planning

Negatives: App occasionally hangs up and interferes with other ACP functions. – think it is an iOS 15 problem. Must have cell service.

Outcome: Will keep it as backup #2 but use Footpath for replanning and Apple Maps for voice commands

Apple Maps App - used for short notice route replanning

Pluses: ACP including voice, very fast processing, shows traffic, excellent at destination routing

Mixed: Voice commands not always understood. Map and Voice could be better at providing earlier warning on turns and directions. Not so good at ride (specific road / route) planning

Negatives: Must have call service

Outcome: Will keep it as primary voice command for destination routing, use Footpath for route replanning

Navigation Routing and Recording: InRoute, Rever, Scenic, OEM Goldwing Nav

InRoute (Free version)

Pluses: ACP, changeable map scale

Mixed: Map and Voice could be better at providing earlier warning on turns.

Negatives: I don't like the interface, harder to transfer routes from planning websites than other apps

Outcome: will be deleting - other apps have more features and are more intuitive for me to use



Rever (Paid version) - Screen shot at bottom of doc

Pluses: ACP, Live ride tracking (share a link with others so they can see where you are at), route planning on PC is automatically integrated into app, export in format for 2018+ Goldwing Nav, offline maps

Key likes: Integration with route planning website, Live tracking, Plays the recorded ride, elevation and map location are integrated. Includes start and end temps.

Mixed: Route recording - it shuts off far too quickly when at a fuel or food stop or stuck in traffic jams. resulting lost ride route or having to fiddle with the app more. Map and Voice could be better at providing earlier warning on turns.

Negatives: Map scale is fixed at short range. No lifetime subscription, only Annual subscription (there is a very limited capability free version). Can’t start app from ACP must manually start from phone.

Wish it had: Speed chart, longer pause for recording, much smaller header when viewing routes

Outcome: A back up for both recording and for ACP nav.



Scenic (Paid version) – Screen shot a bottom of doc

Pluses: Most intuitive to me. Route recording - doesn't turn off till told to, off line maps, lifetime subscription. Integrated with Kurviger. Download route from Google Maps using just a link

Key likes: Speed chart as well as elevation chart – both are integrated with the map. Elevation and Speed Graphics charts are color coded.

Mixed: Voice could be better at providing earlier warning on turns. Easy to download routes planned in Kurviger or Google Maps but not fully integrated like Rever

Negatives: No ACP (coming in spring 2022). No live ride tracking, does not have route export in 2018+ Nav format.

Wish it had: Route Play Capability, Start and end temp, and seamless integration with a route planning website like Rever has

Outcome: Preferred app for recording. Waiting on ACP capability to see where it falls out for Nav

There is a very limited capability free version, a yearly subscription, and a one-time lifetime subscription.



OEM Goldwing Nav

Pluses: Shows next three turns, excellent map and voice warnings and directions. Many very useful features embedded and displayed that are not found in any of the ACP capable apps.

Mixed: Bike position on map offset a bit too much to the left in some views, integrated traffic but only if having XM subscription. Sometimes a few too many voice warnings (example " Caution, Motorway")

Negatives: Very slow to calculate routes, occasionally poor city rerouting when using XM Satellite traffic inputs. Doesn't show traffic unless it has a route, changing route is a pain.

Outcome: See below

Wish list for Mother Honda: Split screen with Nav on one side and audio or ACP on the other side



Final Assessment:
OEM Goldwing Nav is my preferred on the road Nav system by a wide margin.

Will continue to use the OEM Goldwing Nav as my primary Navigation system - I really really like it

For route planning (PC/iPad), back up routing, and ride recording, will eventually settle on a combination of either the Rever website and Rever app or Kurviger website and Scenic app. Waiting on Scenic ACP roll out and Rever ACP update to assess which way I go with the websites and apps.

Will use Apple Maps for short notice destination routing, especially using voice commands. Will keep playing with Footpath to see if I have enough use for it to keep it.

Cheers

Richard

P.S.

Rider and Passenger were using Sena SRL-2 (a 20S in a Shoei form) in our J-Cruise II helmets. Didn’t use our +Meshs

The SRL-2s were rock solid. Lasted over 10 hours a day without recharging. Did recharge at lunch (plugged into the bike trickle charger) on day 6- just in case – since it was a 12+ hour day.

Didn’t have the headsets paired to either phone.

Initialization was always 1) let the headsets get fully started before 2) turning on and connecting to the bike.

Only had to occasionally have the bike prompt a connection to a headset.

Background noise cancellation for intercom was poor at highway speeds or windy conditions.

Music, phone, CB, and Nav (Goldwing or Apps) audio was very good overall (CB had other dependencies) Intercom was only good except at highway speeds or windy conditions.

Had to speak loudly to get the mics to trigger and keep the intercom active, even with no background noise.

Talk radio was understandable to marginal at highway speeds/windy conditions.

P.P.S. Look forward to exploring the two XM antenna option. Had a lot of drops in areas with some blockage (tree lined roads for example).

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Great review, the new new Scenic update released last week should enable carplay.
 

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As much as I complained about the Honda nav in my first year of ownership, it‘s now my favorite for multi day trips. I love how I just hit a couple buttons in the morning and I’m done for the day. No screwing around keeping the bike in accessory mode while gassing up, no reconnecting the phone, no worrying about cell coverage if I am switching from one route to another. The downside is actually creating the routes takes me longer. The Honda map website is kind of “clunky”. Example, every time I drop a pin it zooms all the way out so I have to re zoom all the way in and make sure my pin is where I intended, then repeat over and over. They should add a reverse route option too. Honda imo is lazy. It wouldn’t be that hard to make it better.
 

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Kurviger ... doesn't format to the 2018 wing ...
Navy Gator,
could You please explain this sentence to me, since I'm using Kurviger all the time for route planning at home and I'm not running into an issue, if transferring the route into the bike's nav-system

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Thoughts on the various Navigation options 2018+ Wings have

I do not use nor am interested in an attached Nav system like Garmin or Tom Tom. Nor am I interested in Basecamp…tried it and didn’t like it.

Just completed a six-day ride covering over 1800 miles.

Did primary route planning on my PC - not in the apps on my phone. Used Google Maps, Kurviger, and Rever websites. Planned the exact same routes on all three sites. Uploaded the routes to OEM Goldwing Nav (Rever), Rever App (Rever), InRoute App (Google Maps), and Scenic App (Kurviger).

Since I ride with my phone in the center pocket and not on the handlebars - while riding I'm limited to, using the OEM Goldwing Nav and Apple Car Play capable apps (Rever and InRoute) for route navigation.

Used Scenic and Rever apps for route recording.

Used Footpath app, Apple Maps app, and Google Maps app for no notice route replanning / re-routing. Thinking of starting to bring an iPad to use when needing extensive replanning – that way I can use the websites vice the apps on the phone.

All systems (Goldwing Nav, Rever, Scenic, InRoute, Footpath, Google Maps, and Apple Maps) have benefits and drawbacks.

On the fly route replanning apps: Footpath, Google Maps, Apple Maps

Footpath app (free version) - used for short notice route replanning.

Pluses: Route planning using finger trace, snaps to roads, good for ride planning vice destination routing

Mixed: think my finger is too thick because some of the route choices it made were not what I intended. Due to having to make corrections, I could still plan almost as fast using Scenic, Rever, Google Maps, or Apple Maps

Negatives: No ACP. Can only plan what is on the screen - easier to plan long routes on other apps and get them right the first time.

Outcome: Will keep it - for now - for on the road short distance route planning but lack of ACP, fat finger misrouting, and lack of longer distance planning is a huge limitation for me.

Google Maps App - used for short notice route replanning.

Pluses: ACP including voice, very fast processing, shows traffic, excellent at destination routing

Mixed: Voice commands not always understood. Map and Voice could be better at providing earlier warning on turns and directions. Not so good at ride (specific road / route) planning

Negatives: App occasionally hangs up and interferes with other ACP functions. – think it is an iOS 15 problem. Must have cell service.

Outcome: Will keep it as backup #2 but use Footpath for replanning and Apple Maps for voice commands

Apple Maps App - used for short notice route replanning

Pluses: ACP including voice, very fast processing, shows traffic, excellent at destination routing

Mixed: Voice commands not always understood. Map and Voice could be better at providing earlier warning on turns and directions. Not so good at ride (specific road / route) planning

Negatives: Must have call service

Outcome: Will keep it as primary voice command for destination routing, use Footpath for route replanning

Navigation Routing and Recording: InRoute, Rever, Scenic, OEM Goldwing Nav

InRoute (Free version)

Pluses: ACP, changeable map scale

Mixed: Map and Voice could be better at providing earlier warning on turns.

Negatives: I don't like the interface, harder to transfer routes from planning websites than other apps

Outcome: will be deleting - other apps have more features and are more intuitive for me to use



Rever (Paid version) - Screen shot at bottom of doc

Pluses: ACP, Live ride tracking (share a link with others so they can see where you are at), route planning on PC is automatically integrated into app, export in format for 2018+ Goldwing Nav, offline maps

Key likes: Integration with route planning website, Live tracking, Plays the recorded ride, elevation and map location are integrated. Includes start and end temps.

Mixed: Route recording - it shuts off far too quickly when at a fuel or food stop or stuck in traffic jams. resulting lost ride route or having to fiddle with the app more. Map and Voice could be better at providing earlier warning on turns.

Negatives: Map scale is fixed at short range. No lifetime subscription, only Annual subscription (there is a very limited capability free version). Can’t start app from ACP must manually start from phone.

Wish it had: Speed chart, longer pause for recording, much smaller header when viewing routes

Outcome: A back up for both recording and for ACP nav.



Scenic (Paid version) – Screen shot a bottom of doc

Pluses: Most intuitive to me. Route recording - doesn't turn off till told to, off line maps, lifetime subscription. Integrated with Kurviger. Download route from Google Maps using just a link

Key likes: Speed chart as well as elevation chart – both are integrated with the map. Elevation and Speed Graphics charts are color coded.

Mixed: Voice could be better at providing earlier warning on turns. Easy to download routes planned in Kurviger or Google Maps but not fully integrated like Rever

Negatives: No ACP (coming in spring 2022). No live ride tracking, does not have route export in 2018+ Nav format.

Wish it had: Route Play Capability, Start and end temp, and seamless integration with a route planning website like Rever has

Outcome: Preferred app for recording. Waiting on ACP capability to see where it falls out for Nav

There is a very limited capability free version, a yearly subscription, and a one-time lifetime subscription.



OEM Goldwing Nav

Pluses: Shows next three turns, excellent map and voice warnings and directions. Many very useful features embedded and displayed that are not found in any of the ACP capable apps.

Mixed: Bike position on map offset a bit too much to the left in some views, integrated traffic but only if having XM subscription. Sometimes a few too many voice warnings (example " Caution, Motorway")

Negatives: Very slow to calculate routes, occasionally poor city rerouting when using XM Satellite traffic inputs. Doesn't show traffic unless it has a route, changing route is a pain.

Outcome: See below

Wish list for Mother Honda: Split screen with Nav on one side and audio or ACP on the other side



Final Assessment:
OEM Goldwing Nav is my preferred on the road Nav system by a wide margin.

Will continue to use the OEM Goldwing Nav as my primary Navigation system - I really really like it

For route planning (PC/iPad), back up routing, and ride recording, will eventually settle on a combination of either the Rever website and Rever app or Kurviger website and Scenic app. Waiting on Scenic ACP roll out and Rever ACP update to assess which way I go with the websites and apps.

Will use Apple Maps for short notice destination routing, especially using voice commands. Will keep playing with Footpath to see if I have enough use for it to keep it.

Cheers

Richard

P.S.

Rider and Passenger were using Sena SRL-2 (a 20S in a Shoei form) in our J-Cruise II helmets. Didn’t use our +Meshs

The SRL-2s were rock solid. Lasted over 10 hours a day without recharging. Did recharge at lunch (plugged into the bike trickle charger) on day 6- just in case – since it was a 12+ hour day.

Didn’t have the headsets paired to either phone.

Initialization was always 1) let the headsets get fully started before 2) turning on and connecting to the bike.

Only had to occasionally have the bike prompt a connection to a headset.

Background noise cancellation for intercom was poor at highway speeds or windy conditions.

Music, phone, CB, and Nav (Goldwing or Apps) audio was very good overall (CB had other dependencies) Intercom was only good except at highway speeds or windy conditions.

Had to speak loudly to get the mics to trigger and keep the intercom active, even with no background noise.

Talk radio was understandable to marginal at highway speeds/windy conditions.

P.P.S. Look forward to exploring the two XM antenna option. Had a lot of drops in areas with some blockage (tree lined roads for example).

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since youre using kurviger and like the honda nav, just upload the rever .gpx file to the honda nav. that will free up your phone. i have a youtube video on this process. works great every time.
 

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Many trip apps mentioned.
Curious as to anyone is using the Honda Trip Planner website for their Nav.?
Has it been improved?
 

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Great info.
Now, can you do all the same evaluations with a Droid phone, Android Auto, Waze and Google maps?

I was pretty please this last summer trip using Honda Trip Planner with the build in GPS. Worked fine.
I use Waze for short local routing with great success.
I may, just may, install my Garmin Zumo 665LM on the left handlebar for our planned trip to Alaska next summer. It is just sitting in a drawer since selling our gen 5 wing.
I miss MS Streets and Trips. That was so easy to use.

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Great info.
Now, can you do all the same evaluations with a Droid phone, Android Auto, Waze and Google maps?
Sorry, I'm an iPhone kinda guy. Maybe someone else will step. I've tried Waze but find I really don't use it since I usually have the Wing's nav up. Now if Honda had split screen with the Wing's nav on one side and ACP/AA on the other, that might change.
 

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Many trip apps mentioned.
Curious as to anyone is using the Honda Trip Planner website for their Nav.?
Has it been improved?
I use it and find it world's easier then say basecamp. There are lots of praise for Rever on here. I need to check that out.

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