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I will add that my tinnitus will modulate in volume and tone. Doctors have told me that is unusual with tinnitus..

IF you are old enough to remember the TV show Outer Limits.. the intro had a weird electronic noise that modulated up and down. A whine type of noise. My ears do that at times. It is like your 2 year kid has found the volume knob on the radio. :lol:

My brother (older) tells me that when he drinks more than one dark cola drink (Diet Coke) a day... his ear ringing seems to get slightly worse.

I have not noticed much difference in my tinnitus when I take NSAIDs.

If you do some searching the internet... some famous folks have used the masking devices for tinnitus. Capt Kirk Bill Shatner comes to mind. I believe he used these devices for a while with some success. They are expensive
 

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If there was ever a testamony regarding protecting our children and grand children from loud noises, the above is just that. In 1963 when I entered the Marines, I was selected to be a radio operator. They gave us a hearing test to see if we could differentiate between signals. At the time I thought-what a waste of time, because no one I knew had a problem with it. 19 years later, we had problems finding young Marines who could pass the same test. I suspect that boom boxes and concerts has had something to do with that. Just a thought.
 

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Lots of people have this and not many talk about it.

Tinnitis is not good at any level but when it comes from riding snowmobiles and motorcycles as mine does it really sucks.


Mine started back in my teens after I broke through the ice on a river on my snowmobile at about 35 below zero and was stuck out in the woods for about 30 hours afterwards trying to stay alive. I almost lost my left ear. The doctors said me insisting on keeping my badly frost bitten ear should have killed me. My ear was black and about the size of a tennis ball. My doctors said I'm one lucky man to not only not loose my ear but not loose my life trying to keep it.


Years later in my 30's I froze my left ear again on a motorcycle riding at -5 with no fairing and a full face helmet with no belaclava under it.


Now days I not only have a ringing in my ears, I also have nerve damage inside my left ear that over the years has worked down my neck and up the side of my head. So now when I ride below 65 degrees I have a pain in the side of my neck and face that is so bad that alot of times it makes me cry in pain. I still ride all year round in all weather from 0 degrees to 100+ degrees. The pain and the noise is absolutely unbarible on some rides but I will NEVER stop riding EVER. I still manage over 50,000 miles every year, but I think my years of that kind of mileage may be coming to an end soon do to many other health problems that have come along in the last 8 years and are getting worse.


I can only relate to everyone with this problem and I regret I have no advice to help make it any better for anyone. The only thing I can say is: Keep your chin up and smile"


and of course Ride Safe!
 

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Tinnitis

I too have this particular hearing problem. People that don't have this problem can't imagine how lucky they are. I now have an 08 wing that has the bass frequency droning that many on this forum are talking about. It is making the tinnitis much worse even during short rides of say two hours at road speeds. My previous 3 wings did not have this cruise speed drone.

I have ordered the parts to try Stuna's, solution, which is posted on the tech tips board under Making GL1800 Exhaust Quieter, I'm Serious!! - Page 2 - GL1800Riders. This is supposed to help make the 1800's even quieter. I will post my results on this site after I get the baffled tips on.

I also intend to install a 70 series rear tire next time I change it. This will lower the rpm's at interstate speeds which should change the drone frequency a little.

I've tried ear plugs and both open and closed helmets and no help. I suspect this particular frequency resonates on the bones behind the ear lobe.

Good luck to all with this problem because if you are like me, you ride because it is getting you younger. :lol:
 
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Had it since childhood

I have it and it never stops, it actually is the worst when I am laying in bed at night trying to go to sleep. To me it sounds like waves crashing on the beach continuously over and over. I am sure mine came as a result of the farming practice we had of substituting mufflers on our John Deere tractors with 8" straight pipes with no muffling. After plowing fields all day with only a break for lunch, I could hear the tractor running even after shutting down for the day and laying in bed. I would hear it for days afterword regardless of where I went. How loud is a John Deere with a straight pipe "under load"? It would make a Harley rider curl up into a fetal position!!

I try to ignore the sound, and actually don't pay much attention to it. It only gets almost unbearable when I acknowledge it, until then my brain helps me ignore the sound but it is always there, in the background.
 

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I flew with a head cold back in the early 80's and blocked my ear so bad that when my ear drum burst it was a tremendous relief. My ENT says there is no cure and he also said he could put me in a sound booth and put a microphone into my ear canal and play the sound over the speaker. He said that the ear is actually producing that sound. I can move my jaw and change the tone and taking aspirin causes it to get louder. Sometimes it is extremely loud but most of the time I just ignore it. I wear a full face with Edsets 3G's and I have to have to have the volume up near 30 with ear plugs.
As of now, there is nothing you can do but learn to put it out of your mind. My ENT said if he could come up with a cure he would be a multi - billionaire.
 

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I agree with Turbine and Canyon Dancer.

I've had it for many years, have excellent hearing, and always wore ear protection.

The best thing is to do is to train yourself to ignore it. If you let it control you, it wins. Sometimes with fatal results.

There are noise cancelling hearing aids that can help some. These are a pretty radical approach as they destroy all noises.

It's the pits getting old, ain't it? Good luck.
 

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07Wing, Nice explanation. I was reading these posts and wondering why no one had given an explanation, so I was going to. Then I saw your post and said to myself, Good. Now these people will have an idea of what they are dealing with.
I have been told that some nasal sprays may help certain types, by opening the sinuses and Eustachian tubes, which relieves air and mucus pressure in the tissues. As I do not have the problem, I have no idea if this works. I would check with my audiologist or physician about it.
 

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My ENT recommended a sinus rinse with a Netipot. It uses warm water, and a buffered sodium chloride/sodium bicaronate solution. Sound terrible, but its not, clears the nasal sinus cavities and helps considerably in temprarily quieting the tinnitus
 

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I'm 63 and have had it for as many years as I can remember and haven't been exposed to loud noises or the other causes noted in this thread. Most of the time, I just ignore it, but once I hear it, it's there. I do use ear plugs most of the time when riding and that helps reduce the wind noise and I can still hear traffic noise or music.
 

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Haven't read all the posts but thought I'd share a little tip you folks might want to try. I've had tinnitus for quite some time and noticed there are times it is worse than others. It even seemed magnified inside my helmet.

In 2007, I had surgery to correct a deviated septum and mentioned the tinnitus to my ear, nose, throat specialist during one of the follow-up visits. He said that he, too, suffered from it but had discovered something that helped him. He said if he reduced his salt and caffene intake that it would nearly go away until he consumed an increase in either element.

Following his suggestion, I also experimented with the cut-back of salt (use only Mrs Dash now) and caffene. Surprise! It really did work for me too! I notice, to this day, if I don't drink any caffene, eat chocolate, or anything even slightly salty for at least a day, the tinnitus is nearly silent.

Give it a try... it might work for you too.
 

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Haven't read all the posts but thought I'd share a little tip you folks might want to try. I've had tinnitus for quite some time and noticed there are times it is worse than others. It even seemed magnified inside my helmet.

In 2007, I had surgery to correct a deviated septum and mentioned the tinnitus to my ear, nose, throat specialist during one of the follow-up visits. He said that he, too, suffered from it but had discovered something that helped him. He said if he reduced his salt and caffene intake that it would nearly go away until he consumed an increase in either element.

Following his suggestion, I also experimented with the cut-back of salt (use only Mrs Dash now) and caffene. Surprise! It really did work for me too! I notice, to this day, if I don't drink any caffene, eat chocolate, or anything even slightly salty for at least a day, the tinnitus is nearly silent.

Give it a try... it might work for you too.
Thanks for the info on the chocolate,caffine,and salt,I will have to cut back and give this a try...
Seems I like everything that's bad for me :shrug:

Don't care for coffee,so in the morning I drink a diet mountain dew yahoo!!! :lol:...
Well lately I have been drinking 3 instead of one :22yikes:...
I am one live wire in the morning :lol: :lol: WooHooo!!!
 

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I think I caused mine by riding with a 3/4 helmet without a fairing on a cruiser. My Doctor thinks its related to congestion and allergies so I'm fighting it on that front as well.

The Doctor also mentioned the possibility of depression from the loss of my son a few years ago as a possibility, but I don't think that is what is causing mine.

I agree that it is a search for the cause issue and then treatment. Along with caffiene and never eating salt I can recommend "nerve inhibitors". These are drugs that inhibit nerve action. They are used for treating pain. The have tinnitis relief documented in there use. I also use Diovan, which lowers BP and helps with tinnitis too.

I haven't had any luck with manipulation but some people suggest turning your head around in circles every day for a few minutes. I am seeing a chiropractor now and have had big benefits but no lessening of tinnitus. I guess some trauma can be the cause of tinnitus, for some people. Not me though.

I really think it was wind noise that created the problem.

It is worth it to try everything though as it can be really aggravating. I too, just ignore it as much as possible.
 

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I have the same problem, though caused by too much loud rock music as a teenager and some loud noise exposures while I was in the service. I wear earplugs that are rated for 32db noise reduction while I ride. I also have a helmet headset and use it for comm with my wife, and the headset is loud enough to sound "normal" while wearing the earplugs.

32db is about the best available plugs I can find, perhaps some custom plugs can get better than that though. I find that I hear traffic better with the plugs than without, as I find the plugs squelch road and wind roar which actually helps me hear important traffic sounds, such as horns, sirens, and even a car coming up behind me.

My doc told me once its there, there is no way to get rid of it, but the use of earplugs when riding is a must to prevent further damage.
 

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I do not play a Doctor of Audiology on TV; but....

Tinnitus is a complex issue. If you think the shade tree explanations and solutions to the 30MPH decel wobble are vague and convoluted, you have no idea of how much more complex tinnitus. Tinnitus often evolves from a biologically generated signal from the hair cells of the inner ear following trauma (acoustic, physical, toxic, thermal, or other).

The auditory system above and beyond the inner ears up to the modern brain is vastly complex with many way stations. Tinnitus can be processed and stored and replayed like a loop recording at many of those even after the inner ear ceases its initial signal. The primative brain includes a system that is supposed to make us either buck-up for a fight with we are exposed to danger or to tuck our tails and get the H377 out of Dodge before we fall prey; the limbic system with its sympathetic and parasympathetic components respectfully. Tinnitus seems to often involve the neurological conflicts within that system. So does phantom pain and possibly the root of some aquired phobias. It is heavy stuff.

The inner ear may or may not respond well to nutrients like niacin and such or negatively to sodium; but once tinnitus has started, the inner ear can be just fine and the tinnitus is continuous due to looping in the primative brain. Many TV remedies like Ring Stop (honeopathic asprin dose) or Polychrondroiten actually rely upon the placebo effect and such only lasts a short time -- sorry if I burst your bubble with that. So have good nutrition and be well hydrated, its good for you anyway. Avoid exposure to dangerously loud/long noise expoures, but be reasonable abut it. Number one; Do NOT dwell upon tinnitus or loudness sensitivity; do not worry about it. Worry is a sure way to further establish the loops and to make even more negative associations about it. That does not mean you are NUTS, it means you are a human animal!

The symptom the origanal poster mentioned about being intolerant to even moderately strong sounds is a similar situation termed hyperacusis. This is intoleracne to loudness levels that do not even strike the average listener as more than moderately strong (loudness recruitment is a different, yet similar symptom of physical damage to the outer hair cells of/and organ of Cortie in the inner ear, which results in non linear loudness growth). Tinnitus and hyperacusis often go hand in hand as the association centers of the brain that are involved are the same or related. Wearing ear plugs too often can actually make hyperacusis worse and centainly will make tinnitus stand-out like sore thumb. Best use of ear plugs is to use them whenever exposed to possibly dangeroulsy high levels of sound over time, 80dBA for more than 8 hours or so; 83 for more than 4 hours, 86 for more than 2 and so on (OSHA standards are more liberal than that, but OSHA assumes it is reasonable for a worker to lose hearing over a career.

For reduction of wind baffle and/or excaping annoying noises, it is far better to use an active ear plug with some 'piped in" desirable sounds such as music, bird song, a recorded book, or nature sounds -- all played a a nice comfortable level. Similar, if using external sounds to reduce perception of tinnitus, use only enough sound to partly mask the tinnitus, not enough to obliterate it, just enough sound to be almost equal to the tinnitus or even a bit less -- just enough to keep that primative brain pre-occupied. Etymotic Research ear buds for in helmet use is an excellent choice along with your MP-3 or iPod at modest volumes. Tinnitus and hyperacusis therapy are availabe in many higher populated cities. You may google Jasterboff, the leading Doc on tinnitus or Tinnitus Reduction Therapy for more info.

Loss of hearing due to age (presbyacusis) alone does NOT occur in one's 50's the way eyesight changes (presbyopia) does. Natural age related loss of hearing would be more expected at 4 score plus ten and beyond. Socioacusis, exposure to the all the things we do that wears our ears down -- drugs, noise, tobacco, hyperteinsion, vascular disease -- that can start even in our childhood. Its just the older we get the more abuse we take -- but its not "age" per se.

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Tinnitis and making it quieter-- update

Just received my new tips from summit racing. Removed my stock tip and low and behold the new tip inside diameter on the exhaust end was too small.:cry: They were part number sum-690025. After some measuring on the 2008 wing muffler I find they have increased the diameter of the muffler. It now appears I need a single walled tip with an inside diameter of 4 3/8" which is their 4.5" part number 690036.

Once I get these tips replaced and get the baffles and tips installed I'll update on this thread. I would imagine there are many like me that need to subdue that 60 to 80 mph droning.
 

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I too have had the ringing as long as I can remember. And all of the above comments, I can relate to. Just one note to add. I worked for several weeks in a computer server room once that must of had 30 computer servers running. All of those fans in those machines produced a mask that I wish I could duplicate. There was a harmonic balance or something like it that took away the ringing. Of course there was the fan noise but it was a lot more tolerable then the ringing.

I now always play a radio or cd in the background that helps. I really only notice the ringing when I am in complete silence. My wife watches TV in bed so I go to sleep with the background noise. Acceptance has been the key to living with it.

Bruce
 

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I have it too - jet engines (crew chief) for twenty years. I will read these carefully as there's some great info here.

I got the opportunity to see a real specialist in the Air Force who measured mine with a special test. Unfortunately he said there was no cure and recommended a fan at night - background noise is always a help.

I'm interested in the salt and caffeen influences, because I use way too much of each.
 

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I have had that for years and I have not had any hearing loss according to my Doc after the tests. At first it was very annoying but after some time you tend to forget about it but as soon as you think about its back again.

Doc says that there is nothing that really can be done, he says that there are some expensive tone generators that may help and other items but nothing is sure fire.

When I first had it he gave me a bottle of valium and told me to take one at bed time, that worked great. But I found out that by just turning on a classical station at a very low volume also worked just as well.

The Doc said that some people tried tuning into various tv or radio stations that are not there (so you just listening to the hiss) and that somtimes that would cancell it out.

The last time I saw the Doc was probably in 03 and he explained that at that time it was unknown what causes it. But he did mention it could be somthing as simple as the way your teeth are arranged.

John
Damn just writing this made me think about it and not the crickets are back! I just wish I could remember all of there names :twisted:

Hi,
Months ago I got back into riding on an 1800cc WING. I'll never see
59 again and with the onset of a hearing loss, I jumped at the chance to outfit us with helmets and headsets.
One day on a country ride I was blasted with a CB signal from a "linear" or a "skip" signal that literally tore my hearing apart, all in an instance. I couldn't react quickly enough to it.
An ugly word named "TINNITIS" has entered my life. When I ride the bike I use ear plugs before putting on the helmet, I notice tire roar as I pass big
18 wheelers is becoming unbearable while I ride and the constant ringing in my ears while I'm home or at work seems only to be getting louder.
I want to get on the bike and ride forever but I realize Father Time is winning.
What can anyone who has this problem and uses hearing aids or other devices suggest ?????? The doctor said there is no cure for tinnitus......
Your reply is welcome,

Thanks and ride safely,

Dave
 
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