[BACKDRAFT]

PS: if heel toe shifters were safe to use on a Goldwing trany
Honda would have put them on from the factory like other
motorcycle companies do that build their tranys to take the
abuse they will get from the heel toe shifters.

I say Honda doesn't put a lot of things on their motorcycles for one reason or another but don't believe it is an issue with floorboards. They have opted just to use the footpegs because that is what works for them. They decided to put floorboards on their VTX's. So where is the issue there?

I have used floorboards for years and years on different GW of different years and NEVER had an issue.

If it is human made some will live a shorter life than others.

You can't believe everything you read on the forum or the internet.

 

[Jerry's ride]

My experience with heel/toe shifters is one where my 2003 VTX 1300R had them from the factory--I love them. However, I must admit, I shifted with much more force than I did on my GL1500 or GL1800 with "normal" shift mechanics. I think there may be something to the force potential used with heel/toe shifting.

 

[murf]

That is why I posted this on another thread:

Gary;

I am a motorcycle mechanic for over 40 years now, I'm not going
to guess what is wrong with your Wing (even though I probably
could come close to knowing what it is)

The reason I am posting on this thread is to hopefully help you
and others avoid this problem in the future.

Back from the time I started in motorcycle repair I've noticed that
motorcycle tranys were fairly weak. Meaning if you pound on the
shifter while shifting you will bend the forks. Also if you rest your
toes on or under the shifter while riding you will burn the shift forks
out of it.

I'm sorry to say this on a Wing forum, but it is absolutely 100%
true. The strongest motorcycle trany out on the market is Harley
Davidson hands down. They are the only trany out there that has
always been able to take the abuse of a heel toe shifter and that
is why up until a few years ago the motorcycles made in Japan
never had heel toe shifters.

The two major cause's of trany failures in all my years has been.

#1 Heel Toe shifters on bikes that don't come with stock.

#2 Wearing steel toe work boots or very heavy large boots while
riding.

What I'm telling you and everyone reading this is: if your
motorcycle did not come with a heel toe shifter from the
factory (NEVER PUT ONE ON IT)

Also ever since the late 80's when most the motorcycle companies
started trying to save weight on their motorcycles, the one place
they have taken out a bunch of weight out of is the tranys.

The 1800 Wing was Honda's first touring bike with a lightened
trany. So now it is much more prone to steel toe/heavy boots
or heel toe shifters breaking them, just like the problem we've
had on sport bikes and adventure bikes for a long time now.

The sport and adventure bikes do not use floor boards but they
do wear heavy or steel toed work boots back and forth to work.
The adventure bike guys are wearing heavyer and heavyer boots
when they ride off road. This is mostly due to the guys riding
them are getting older and older like Wing guys. Old guys like to
protect their feet. Thats just life LOL"

I just happened to notice in your picture of you and your wife
that your wearing heavy riding boots or steel toed work boots.
This can be some of your cause of your problem's. I'm not in
any way trying to pick on you or anyone else at all. My post is
to help my fellow riders the same as I do in my shop.

Riders of modren light wieght motorcycles just need to be more
awhere of what they do with their feet and the foot wear the use
while riding to help make their trany's last.

Light wieght slim boots and no heel toe shifter's is the answer to
long trany life, now more then ever on these lighter wieght bikes.

I hope my post will help you and others from more trany problems.

Good Luck and Ya All" ride SAFE out there!
__________________

How did you correlate wearing heavy and/or steel toe boots with tranny failures or contributing to tranny failures? With a few exceptions, I wear steel toe boots when riding and I have had zero tranny problems in any of the many bikes I have ridden over the years.

 

[DJ Fire]

Okay - I am posting this info in all the tranny threads I can find to make sure it gets out there.

Since my first tranny failure, I have been trying to compile a list of those who have gone through the same thing in an effort to urge Honda to do something about it.

They are not willing to budge and I have given it my best effort.

I do not wish to hijack this thread, so I am not going into any detail on my tranny issue(s).

I have filed a claim with the National Highway Safety & Traffic Association to ensure that they are aware of a safety issue. They have informed me that every single person who is on the list will have to contact the NHSTA and file a safety complaint on their own. The list does not do them any good. They do not seek out safety issues at this level, you have to call THEM!

I IMPLORE YOU ...
​

...to PLEASE contact the NHSTA and file your complaint with them ASAP. I have included a link to their Office of Defects Investigation (ODI) so you can file your complaint online or via phone. Phone complaints take less than 15 mintes to get all the info, and the web takes around 10 minutes.

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/

~DJFireUSA

 

[WINGERWING]

No Honda dealer is going to do a warranty transmission repair without advanced approval from Honda tech support. The only data that a dealer needs to deny a claim is a "NO" from Honda.

Then tech line needs to read up on the Magnuson-Moss Act.

 

[LarryM]

Then tech line needs to read up on the Magnuson-Moss Act.

You missed the point in my post. All I was saying is that you can't blame the dealer. They are not the ones who are responsible for honoring the warranty. Honda is. The dealer is nothing more than an agent contracted to perform the warranty work. I don't know if Honda has violated the Act in any of these cases. I have only heard one side of the story.

You have to understand something about the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. If you feel your legal right under the act have been violated, you have some work to do if the manufacturer won't budge. You can't just wave a piece of paper in their face and tell them to cover the transmission.

The law only gives you legal recourse. Except for DJFire, I doubt that very many, if anyone, has even contacted their state's Attorney Generals office. They are your ally, and they are free.

It's pointless to even discuss that law if people aren't going to use it to their advantage.

 

[DJ Fire]

That's why I want everybody who has a problem to file a complaint.