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Anyone done this?

I notice from the manual that two special tools are required. Any work arounds for the special tools or did you buy them?

Any particular landmines in this project?

Where did you buy shims?

Thanks!
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I take it you have checked figures and know that some inlets require adjustment ?? (If not - check first)
I take it you have checked figures and know that some inlets require adjustment ?? (If not - check first)
Not yet. Trying to decide if anything needs adjustment to do it myself or not. I'm looking for answers to my above questions.
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Also ordered new feeler gages and a caliper for checking shim sizes from Amazon, and bought two shim kits (need two kits for proper sizing, one is even (whole # increments) and one is odd (.5 increments). Note: unless the valve clearance is actually out of tolerance, I recommend leaving it (if intake valve) and monitor for next time. Reason being you have to loosen the exhaust valve tappet screws to remove the cam to get to the intake shims, and buying a box of shims in both half and full sizes is not cheap unless you work on numerous bikes. Once the cam is back in place you have to reset the exhaust valve clearances.

I made my exhaust valve tappet screw wrench. Can always buy one, or use a very small ignition wrench.
Please tell me you are NOT using a caliper to check shim thickness !!. (A micrometer is the correct tool)
Also ordered new feeler gages and a caliper for checking shim sizes from Amazon, and bought two shim kits (need two kits for proper sizing, one is even (whole # increments) and one is odd (.5 increments). Note: unless the valve clearance is actually out of tolerance, I recommend leaving it (if intake valve) and monitor for next time. Reason being you have to loosen the exhaust valve tappet screws to remove the cam to get to the intake shims, and buying a box of shims in both half and full sizes is not cheap unless you work on numerous bikes. Once the cam is back in place you have to reset the exhaust valve clearances.

I made my exhaust valve tappet screw wrench. Can always buy one, or use a very small ignition wrench.
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Quick bit of googling brought this up quickly

have fun !
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I'd advise mic-ing every single shim, both the ones your remove and the ones you replace it with. It's the only way you'll know how much of a change you're actually making. Even new stamped shims can be off, so don't trust the stamp on them. Measure twice.

Digital micrometers are a great tool, but can become a crutch and cause you to forget how to read a micrometer scale. It's better to buy one that has both the scale and the digital readout.

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Reading a micrometer is a piece of cake. The scale on the micrometer and just FEELING how tight ya crank down the barrel when measuring... is far more accurate than most dial or digital calipers you can buy. Most decent mikes have a ratcheting (or friction) thimble that allows the user to get good repeatability. You should be able to mike the same part multiple times and get the same measurement each time. This repeatability says yer doing it right. Though the digital function makes it easier to read, it does NOT make it more accurate. A caliper will be accurate enough to identify one shim from another, but it won't be accurate enough to tell you EXACTLY how precise the shim actually is ei is it really the size it claims to be? Since I was a precision machinist for about 30 years, you can trust what I just said here.
FWiW, if I measure a perfectly flat item with both a micrometer and a decent dial caliper (say a Mitutoyo or Starett), the caliper will be predictable and accurate to about + or - .0005 of an inch, whereas a micrometer will be 10 times as accurate... to + or - .00005 of an inch.

One great way to check your ability to accurately use a mic or a caliper is to check the size of a feeler gauge. They are usually SUPER accurate, and when you check them with any measuring device, you should find them to be just about perfect in size.

Ha... I was watching the video Fred H supplied above. Good stuff. However, the last thing he did was show ya how to run the thimble up your arm to speed things up. But if you have hairy arms, don't ever do that. The thimble on some mics can and will rip all the hair out of your arm. Guess how I know that? Use the inside of your wrist instead...
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Please tell me you are NOT using a caliper to check shim thickness !!. (A micrometer is the correct tool)
Yes, I use a mic. Brain fart. And I used to calibrate them also...
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I used a short screwdriver and a hemostat instead of the custom tool for relaxing the cam chain. Worked great. Screwdriver to release the tension and the hemostat to lock the screwdriver in place. My buddy Chuck told me about this and it worked great. :)
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Yes, I use a mic. Brain fart. And I used to calibrate them also...
Calibrating: I did that for the company for about 6 months back in 1993 or so. I remember getting yelled at by an old codger named Frank. I calibrated and adjusted his micrometers. He complained that they were "off" now that I changed them. I feared this might happen and therefore had talked to the boss about it earlier: therefore we adjusted them together. We both agreed they were spot on when I finished, and handed them back to said employee. As he went running and cussing to the boss, I was advised to change them back to the way they were and make a note of the error in my records. He said it was better to allow the crummy equipment than to put up with the crummy attitude. As it turned out the guy worked with rather broad tolerances on a lathe anyway, so the accuracy of his mics wasn't much of an issue after all. Memories...
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I used a short screwdriver and a hemostat instead of the custom tool for relaxing the cam chain. Worked great. Screwdriver to release the tension and the hemostat to lock the screwdriver in place. My buddy Chuck told me about this and it worked great. :)
I wonder where Chuck learned that trick. ;)
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Ok, for the DYI'ers here's a couple of tools I made myself. The cam chain tensioner tool works particularly well because unlike the expensive ones it stays in place under the left cylinder head.

So, I cut these shapes out of some sheet steel about 1.4mm thick:


I had to file the tip down to about 1.0mm to fit the screw in the tensioner. All you need to do is insert into the screw slot, rotate clockwise against spring pressure as far as it goes then ease it back while pushing in until the wider part of the tool engages into the slots of the tensioner housing. Spring tension holds it there.

This is the right side:


This is the left side - yes some oil will dribble out:



This is a tool I made for adjusting the exhaust valves. I got sick of messing about with a small adjustable wrench (a shifting spanner in UK/Aussie).



It's similar to the Honda one or any others you can buy online but I made it compact enough to suit my dirt bikes as well.


The square on the adjuster is 3mm and the lock nut takes an 8mm wrench. The adjuster thread pitch is 0.5mm so you can mark the tool (at 158°) to get close the correct clearance in one move.


I'll be following up with a little caution about setting the exhaust valve clearances. Stand by...
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I had some difficulty when adjusting the exhaust valves on my 2019.

The 2019 service manual says you can measure the clearance at either the roller end (between the roller and cam lobe) or you can measure it at the valve stem (between the valve stem and the tip of the adjuster screw). It gives clearances for both methods. The clearance at the valve stem is double that at the roller because there's a 1:2 ratio in the rocker arm. So it should be more accurate to measure at the valve stem, obviously.

But I just couldn't get a consistent result measuring at the valve stem (and this isn't my first rodeo). When I got to what I thought was a nice drag on an 8 thou feeler gauge, I could tell immediately that the rocker was way too loose. Plus the carefully calculated mark on my adjuster tool (see above) just didn't come close to working.

After much re-checking and comparing with roller end clearance, I discovered the cause...

The end of the valve stem (red arrow) is actually about 5 thou below the surrounding valve spring retainer (green arrow).

(The wider disk looking bit is actually part of the adjuster. You have to measure behind that.)

Normally, the valve stem is proud of the retainer. Because if this issue, there is no way to use a conventional feeler gauge between the valve stem and the adjuster. I ended up setting the valves by measuring at the roller and all is good but I wasted a good hour or two figuring it out.

So, just letting you know that if you can't get a good solid and consistent result at the valve end of the rocker, then do it at the roller end.
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I wonder where Chuck learned that trick. ;)
Your videos did the trick Fred... :). Thanks for those!
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I had some difficulty when adjusting the exhaust valves on my 2019.

The 2019 service manual says you can measure the clearance at either the roller end (between the roller and cam lobe) or you can measure it at the valve stem (between the valve stem and the tip of the adjuster screw). It gives clearances for both methods. The clearance at the valve stem is double that at the roller because there's a 1:2 ratio in the rocker arm. So it should be more accurate to measure at the valve stem, obviously.

But I just couldn't get a consistent result measuring at the valve stem (and this isn't my first rodeo). When I got to what I thought was a nice drag on an 8 thou feeler gauge, I could tell immediately that the rocker was way too loose. Plus the carefully calculated mark on my adjuster tool (see above) just didn't come close to working.

After much re-checking and comparing with roller end clearance, I discovered the cause...

The end of the valve stem (red arrow) is actually about 5 thou below the surrounding valve spring retainer (green arrow).
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(The wider disk looking bit is actually part of the adjuster. You have to measure behind that.)

Normally, the valve stem is proud of the retainer. Because if this issue, there is no way to use a conventional feeler gauge between the valve stem and the adjuster. I ended up setting the valves by measuring at the roller and all is good but I wasted a good hour or two figuring it out.

So, just letting you know that if you can't get a good solid and consistent result at the valve end of the rocker, then do it at the roller end.
I also ran into the same problem the first time I tried to check mine at the valve, and in the end I decided it was better to just do it at the roller end.
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Agreed on roller end. Easier to both see what you're doing and getting consistent results. To @AussieChris - great writeup and pictures 👍.
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I had some difficulty when adjusting the exhaust valves on my 2019.

The 2019 service manual says you can measure the clearance at either the roller end (between the roller and cam lobe) or you can measure it at the valve stem (between the valve stem and the tip of the adjuster screw). It gives clearances for both methods. The clearance at the valve stem is double that at the roller because there's a 1:2 ratio in the rocker arm. So it should be more accurate to measure at the valve stem, obviously.

But I just couldn't get a consistent result measuring at the valve stem (and this isn't my first rodeo). When I got to what I thought was a nice drag on an 8 thou feeler gauge, I could tell immediately that the rocker was way too loose. Plus the carefully calculated mark on my adjuster tool (see above) just didn't come close to working.

After much re-checking and comparing with roller end clearance, I discovered the cause...

The end of the valve stem (red arrow) is actually about 5 thou below the surrounding valve spring retainer (green arrow).
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(The wider disk looking bit is actually part of the adjuster. You have to measure behind that.)

Normally, the valve stem is proud of the retainer. Because if this issue, there is no way to use a conventional feeler gauge between the valve stem and the adjuster. I ended up setting the valves by measuring at the roller and all is good but I wasted a good hour or two figuring it out.

So, just letting you know that if you can't get a good solid and consistent result at the valve end of the rocker, then do it at the roller end.
Hi Chris
Your tensioner hold tool looks like a perfect option, but I am wondering what the measurements are and how deep that can slide into the slots. Is there a spring inside which can be pushed? And where are you buying the shims?
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Hi Chris
Your tensioner hold tool looks like a perfect option, but I am wondering what the measurements are and how deep that can slide into the slots. Is there a spring inside which can be pushed? And where are you buying the shims?
I can't really tell you how deep the slot is in the tensioner screw or the slots in the body. I took these photos with an endoscope camera which might give you an idea what it looks like after removing the sealing bolt and washer...


There is no spring visible, that is inside the tensioner. To slacken the cam chain, you have to rotate that internal screw clockwise about half a turn against the spring. If you let go of your screwdriver, the screw will simply rotate itself back to the original position. So you need to lock the tool into a pair of those outer slots. It turns quite easy. Just insert the screwdriver end of the tool into the screw but just enough that the wider part sits above the outer slots, turn all the way clockwise and then allow it to spring back just enough until the wider part of the tool aligns with a pair of slots and push it in. The tool locks into the outer slots and the internal spring pressure holds it firmly in place. The internal screw head is deeper than usual so the tool can move in deeper to engage the outer slots. Hard to describe in words.

Here are the dimensions of the tools I made...


All measurements are in millimetres. You can convert to old school imperial yourself! Best to make two tools because then you can do the valves on both sides at the same time. If you can find some steel 1mm thick, that would be perfect and save some filing.

By the way, if you buy a new cam chain tensioner for a Honda dirtbike, it comes with a tool very similar (but different dimensions) to what I made. I don't know why they don't do the same for the Goldwing. I guess they want you to spend $100 each for something more cumbersome.

As for shims, I haven't bought any. A mechanic mate of mine has full sets of shims which he has offered for my use. But so far, my intake clearances have been in spec. But he said while the full sets are expensive, you can buy aftermarket shims in packs of ten (of one size) cheaper than a single one from Honda.

Hope that makes all sense and is of some help.
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