[Earthdog]

Major Shock. To recap bike was at my local dealer for 1 month would not start Video 1 below. I had several people contact me that they didn't hear it firing. So I went out this am to video the throttle at 100% so you can hear it firing. Video 2.

SHOCKER it started for the first time for me or dealer in a month. I let it run for 10 minutes where it smoked and stunk up the garage. I shut it down.

Tried to start again. Boom starts right up Video 3. I shut it down. Needed to get geared up to give it a test ride.

Welp it's back to Video 1 and won't start. I hadn't even put the seat back on at that point. I am totally lost. I just don't know what to do, I am taking it to Southern Powersports Tuesday.

Video 1

Video 2

Video 3

 

[Zee Fifty]

This is likely fwd progress and useful data for someone to digest.

I assume you tried the full throttle start procedure again…

 

[gkarasik]

Fuel pump.

 

[Zee Fifty]

In the third video, it looks like your check engine light remained on while it was running…..so that means you probably have some trouble codes that you can pull…..which could be a great help.

I think seeing your bike run now rules out a bad switch and a bad ECU…. My money is still on a bad fuel pump.

 

[Earthdog]

The dealer that had it said it was for the ISG. That is why Honda had them put one in to test. He said he was not going to clear it so the dealer I was going to take it to could see it as well. I asked for the code and was told its in the Honda Tech lIne Log said the other dealer could look it up with the Log/Case number he gave me.

They were offended I was taking to another Dealer.

 

[Zee Fifty]

So the bike has a trouble code that nobody but the dealer knows what it is?

Thats a good enough reason right there to take it to another dealer.

 

[Fred H.]

Just curious, has anyone tested for water in the gas tank?

 

[Zee Fifty]

Just curious, has anyone tested for water in the gas tank?

Wow…. Could it be that simple.

 

[Earthdog]

Just curious, has anyone tested for water in the gas tank?

I can't tell you, I haven't dealer was told the code was for an ISG the waited for a part to test. They got that and it was not the ISG. After a month I decided to pull it out of there. Is there something I can from AutoZone or somewhere to test? I will say once it started and ran for 10 minutes it ran like it did the two days I had it.

 

[AussieChris]

That's great news that you got a start out if it. That eliminates a lot of the expensive items.

Contaminated fuel is a possibility. I don't know how to test for it but the cheapest option would be to drain the tank, clean it and refill. There is no external filter, just the sock filter in the fuel pump.

This is the official troubleshooting guide in the manual (note it also mentions intake air leak as a possibly)...

Starting on full throttle but not closed throttle could suggest a throttle position sensor issue but it would log a code for that. It appears to be idling ok after such a start?

Talking of diagnostic trouble codes (DTC), I just want to point out...

1. A code 116 (ISG fault) does not necessarily mean that the ISG is faulty. 99.9% of the time it is logged for a failed or difficult start (eg. flat battery). It's not surprising that your bike would have that given the numerous failed starts.

2. There are six sub codes for the 116 ISG code as pointed out by @murf in post #32.

3. Only the dealer can see the sub codes using their MCS scan tool. It would have been nice of they told you which code they saw.

4. You can view the codes yourself at home using a shorting clip/tool and viewing the blink pattern on the MIL (check engine light). But only the whole code, not the sub code. Fortunately most codes don't involve a sub code.

5. There can be multiple codes logged at the same time. If there is more than one code, they will be displayed in order of lowest number to highest (not based on priority).

6. It would be nice to know if there are any other codes besides the ISG code. But it's unlikely because code 116 is one of the highest numbered codes (only cruise control codes are higher).

7. You can erase the stored codes yourself at home. But it's generally not a good idea unless proper inspection and repair has been performed. But given your problem is not intermittent, it probably doesn't matter.

Earthdog, I feel you're getting closer. Hang in there.

 

[Zee Fifty]

I would siphon a big jar or glass of gas out from the bottom of the tank and let it sit for a while to see if you can see any water separate out. …. It’s easy to put that question to bed. Water is heavier than gas and will collect at the bottom of the tank

 

[1Phoneman]

Earthdog -- I can bring my 2021 Ktm 500 exc as a loaner.
Help get your mind off the current situation for a little while.

5 gallon tank. Side racks and top plate and small side bags. Swapped exhaust and ecm.
5 fuel maps and 5 different traction control levels -- kinda like your Goldwing.
Rekluse auto clutch - not dct but you'll catch on quick. ( hopefully )

Riding to work will become fun again. I guarantee it.

But it is a Ktm. Hell - it would probably break down and make you push it home.

 

[Fred H.]

Another option might be to just siphon all the gas out into a 5 gallon can and replace it with fresh gas. That way you know what is in there.

 

[WNG-2]

Another option might be to just siphon all the gas out into a 5 gallon can and replace it with fresh gas. That way you know what is in there.

Yup. Hopefully after it settled, you would be able to see if there was any water contamination. If you had the ability to freeze the container, you would find out for sure.

 

[Earthdog]

@AussieChris It is giving me a blinking code of 116. The image ISG Code below

 

[Earthdog]

@Zee Fifty @AussieChris So when I searched the forum for the code 116 I found the following thread. Off to empty the gas the best I can. Is there an easy way to empty the tank?

Same Code poster says bad gas

 

[Earthdog]

@Fred H. @Zee Fifty So I think I got all the gas out. My wife is unhappy I used several of her large flower vases... LOL. They all look like this one which is the very first one. I went a got a siphon this am. Now I am headed to buy fresh 87 gas.

 

[Earthdog]

Missed the picture of the gas. Looks fine to me.

 

[WNG-2]

Missed the picture of the gas. Looks fine to me.
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Is the line in the circled area part of the vase?

 

[Earthdog]

Is the line in the circled area part of the vase?

Thats just the reflection of the glass. There is nothing in any of it.