Look in the API circle. If it says "Energy Conserving" do not use.

 

Look at the back label and make sure it doesn't say "energy conserving" on the label. You want to stay away from that because they will have friction modifiers that mess with the clutch. Even a great deal on that would be bad in the long run so don't use it.

If if doesn't say that, and the viscosity is correct, you should be fine.

 

No mention of Energy Conserving

Thanks Guys,

Now I feel confident and will be buying more of the Castrol Oil as the price is cut by half and special is on for just one week.

Since I posted I did some research and it looks like the Zinc additive does not harm the Clutch.

Also there is no mention of Energy Conserving any where on the container.

Yes I have 4 Motorcycles and they each have Wet Clutches.

Northern Dancer,

Ron

 

This may help when chosing oil

http://eolcs.api.org/licenseAgreementService.aspx?id=21

 

Energy/resource conserving oil, has nothing to do with friction modifiers. It is simply thinner oil, so it take's less power for the oil pump to circulate it. You will not find any thicker than 10w30.

 

Energy/resource conserving oil, has nothing to do with friction modifiers. It is simply thinner oil, so it take's less power for the oil pump to circulate it. You will not find any thicker than 10w30.

Might want to check again....there are plenty of 5W and 10W oils out there that are not energy conserving so while I agree they are thinner oils, that is obviously not the only characteristic.

 

Concerning Grade of my Castrol EDGE with SYNTEC

Might want to check again....there are plenty of 5W and 10W oils out there that are not energy conserving so while I agree they are thinner oils, that is obviously not the only characteristic.

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More Info,

Concerning my Castrol EDGE with SYNTEC API Service SN/SM/SL Oil I neglected to mention it is SAE 5W-50.

I have been using another brand of fully Synthetic Oil called Formula 1 SAE 5W50 exceeds API SM, SJ, SH,Sg / CF & ILSAC GF-4 Service Classifications sold by our Canadian Tire Chain of Stores up here in Canada for over 10 Years with absolutely no problems. Then a Canadian Tire Employee informed me that Formula 1 uses 60% recycled Oil and he stopped using it as he felt this is not a good thing??

So this is the initial reason of my original opening question -- I was hoping this new Castrol EDGE with SYNTEC Oil would not be causing me Clutch problems and work as well or better then the Formula 1 Oil that I have been using for so long.

From what has been said in the replies so far it looks good to go with it??!!??

Northern Dancer,

thanks,

Ron

 

Energy/resource conserving oil, has nothing to do with friction modifiers. It is simply thinner oil, so it take's less power for the oil pump to circulate it. You will not find any thicker than 10w30.

It has EVERYTHING to do with friction modifiers. The primary component we are worried about with our clutches is Molybdenum. Moly is not only extremely slippery stuff, but it embeds itself into materials like clutch plates, which can cause them to lose friction. Motorcycle manufacturers warn against using any oil with Moly because it can destroy the clutch.

Now here's the catch. Oil companies do not normally share their trade secrets, including what additives are in their oil. That makes it really tough for us to know, unless we stick with Jaso MA oil. But there is still a way to tell. Moly is only used in Energy Conserving Oil. If the EC label is not on the container, you know that it doesn't have Moly.

There is yet still another catch. Not all EC oil has Moly in it. It has been rumored for years that Castrol does not use Moly in their EC oil. But this is one of those things that, unless you have it in writing from the mfr, you are playing Russian Roulette with your clutch. It is best just to stay away from EC oil.

I have to add that part of your post is correct. One of the requirements for EC labeling is the viscosity, so you are correct that you will not see a thick high viscosity EC oil. It just isn't the whole story.

 

I just use Rotella 15w40 dino. It is JASO MA certified. I understand any oil with that designation is ok to use on the Wing.

 

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More Info,

Concerning my Castrol EDGE with SYNTEC API Service SN/SM/SL Oil I neglected to mention it is SAE 5W-50.

I have been using another brand of fully Synthetic Oil called Formula 1 SAE 5W50 exceeds API SM, SJ, SH,Sg / CF & ILSAC GF-4 Service Classifications sold by our Canadian Tire Chain of Stores up here in Canada for over 10 Years with absolutely no problems. Then a Canadian Tire Employee informed me that Formula 1 uses 60% recycled Oil and he stopped using it as he felt this is not a good thing??

So this is the initial reason of my original opening question -- I was hoping this new Castrol EDGE with SYNTEC Oil would not be causing me Clutch problems and work as well or better then the Formula 1 Oil that I have been using for so long.

From what has been said in the replies so far it looks good to go with it??!!??

Northern Dancer,

thanks,

Ron

5 weight oil is pretty thin and 50 weight is pretty thick. It might work ok but I'm not sure I'd use that on the wing. I'm not looking at the manual right now but I'm not sure the viscosity application chart allows anything under than 10 weight. I had assumed you had the 10W30 version.

I personally use Rotella T 15W40....only $13 a gallon here in the US so very inexpensive and works great.

To answer your question. I don't think you'll have clutch issues with it at all but I don't know if you would be ok or not with that viscosity . I personally wouldn't take the chance with 5W50 as it's just not worth the risk.

 

Lots of people around here use Rotella T6 which is 5w40. Some use Mobil 15w50with no issues. Try it and see what you feel comfortable with and then let us know how it worked out.

 

Lots of people around here use Rotella T6 which is 5w40. Some use Mobil 15w50with no issues. Try it and see what you feel comfortable with and then let us know how it worked out.

It might work fine but I wouldn't do it unless it was out of warranty. I looked up the manual and it allows for 10W30 and 10W40. My 15W40 isn't listed but at least it's within that range and should be fine unless I'm riding below zero which I don't do.

If my bike was out of warranty, I probably wouldn't worry about 5W50, but while it's in warranty, I'll stick to oils that meet all the mfg guidelines and are within the viscosity range of the manual. 5W50 is outside of viscosity specs on both sides and IF, (admittedly not likely), but IF you had an engine problem under warranty and they found out you were using 5W50, you might have an issue.

Having said all of that, the main thing is "no energy conserving" and JASO MA both of which are clearly spelled out in the manual and which this oil is in compliance with so I seriously doubt the oil will cause a problem, but once again, if it was under warranty, I wouldn't use it.

 

Never never never 4: use that oil in your Wing. Being that you are a board member I will cut you some slack and you can send it to me so that I can dispose of it properly. What else are friends for?

 

I have used energy conserving oil with no ill affect and still use slick 50 in small quantities with no ill affect and gives the oil added viscosity. Makes my trans. smooth as butter. 122,000 now and it seems to quiet the slight noise of the ADG.

 

It might work fine but I wouldn't do it unless it was out of warranty. I looked up the manual and it allows for 10W30 and 10W40. My 15W40 isn't listed but at least it's within that range and should be fine unless I'm riding below zero which I don't do.

It does show 15W-40 listed in the service manual.


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Castrol 5-30 and 10-30 are marked resource conserving...The 5-40 and 10-40 are not marked conserving...

 

Castrol Edge 10W40 Oil



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I use the Castrol Edge Syntec Oil in 10W40 and i buy it at Walmart, about 23 bucks for a 5 quart jug.. If it is on sale Cheaper some where i would like to know....*smile* I have used this Castrol Syntec 10w40 for a time now. In the past i did use Castrol Regular oil before i went to Full Synthetic.. Love this oil..works great for me...

 

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I use the Castrol Edge Syntec Oil in 10W40 and i buy it at Walmart, about 23 bucks for a 5 quart jug.. If it is on sale Cheaper some where i would like to know....*smile* I have used this Castrol Syntec 10w40 for a time now. In the past i did use Castrol Regular oil before i went to Full Synthetic.. Love this oil..works great for me...

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Thanks Dave,

This is good -- exactly what I was hoping to hear.

I have been using 5W50 Oil for many years and none of my Motorcycles ever need Oil between changes -- hardly any loss can be detected.

The last Oil Change on my Nomad and Goldwing I tried adding a Half Bottle of Sea Foam to the Engine Oil and the Gas Tank.

The Nomad Forum swears by this Sea Foam as a wonderful Additive saying it is excellent for cleaning the Carbon that can build up on Pistons, Rings, ETC.

Northern Dancer,

Thanks,

Ron

 

It has EVERYTHING to do with friction modifiers. The primary component we are worried about with our clutches is Molybdenum. Moly is not only extremely slippery stuff, but it embeds itself into materials like clutch plates, which can cause them to lose friction. Motorcycle manufacturers warn against using any oil with Moly because it can destroy the clutch.

Now here's the catch. Oil companies do not normally share their trade secrets, including what additives are in their oil. That makes it really tough for us to know, unless we stick with Jaso MA oil. But there is still a way to tell. Moly is only used in Energy Conserving Oil. If the EC label is not on the container, you know that it doesn't have Moly.

There is yet still another catch. Not all EC oil has Moly in it. It has been rumored for years that Castrol does not use Moly in their EC oil. But this is one of those things that, unless you have it in writing from the mfr, you are playing Russian Roulette with your clutch. It is best just to stay away from EC oil.

I have to add that part of your post is correct. One of the requirements for EC labeling is the viscosity, so you are correct that you will not see a thick high viscosity EC oil. It just isn't the whole story.

Sorry Larry, I should have chosen my word's more carefully. I should have said, Energy conserving oils, have extremely little to do with Friction modifiers. That is, according to some friend's I have at Conoco/Phillips. The way it was broken down to me was, it's 80% viscosity, 19% marketing, and 1% the additive package. The additive package was more about how it's produced, more-so than the package itself. It was also said that the label "energy/conserving" is the new buzz word's for "Fuel economy", in the industry. And that, while lab results may end with a .0001 less energy use. That it could never be measured in real world use. I'll take their word for it.

 

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Castrol-Edge-with-Syntec-Power-Technology-10W40-Motor-Oil-5-qt/17253567 I've been using that for years. My mechanic swears by it.

 

It does show 15W-40 listed in the service manual.


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Cool.

What year manual is that? The .pdf I have on my computer for a 2006 manual shows a different chart and only shows 10W30 and 10W40.

I'm curious if they changed the manual before or after 2006 and what is the current list.

Also...looking at the pic from your manual, it appears up to 50W might work as well but it doesn't list a 5W option.