[David M.]

The risk/benefit just doesn't seem to be there.

David M.

 

[KA7W]

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[jjsC6]

So forgive me if I feel compelled to speak out against this. I would never forgive myself if I didn't.

Good Grief. The God of GoldWingers????

I've been in Sales and Sales Management all my life. I have a "rule" of selling. Sell yourself first, your company second, and your product third. What this means is that if you don't have credibility with a potential customer, you don't stand much chance of selling him something, no matter how good the product is.

It works in all aspects of life, especially forums. There are many opinions expressed on forums. Heck, many times there are even opposed "facts" on the same subject (or as an old friend used to say - "and that's a true fact").

I've been following Fred's threads on both this and the FJR forum for a long time. Anyone who does not give credibility to Fred's opinions probably should do a little homework. He probably knows more about how things work on motorcycles than the rest of us combined. I'm not saying to take everything he says as gospel, but I am saying that you should not spit into the wind or tug on superman's cape! :lol:

 

[cptdenny]

I for one...will never use a car tire...DID YOU SEE THE AMOUNT OF TREAD ON THE ROAD DURING A TURN...WOW...

I guess we both see and hear two different things.

First, what I saw was a far wider contact tire patch than a motrcycle tire had.

Second, what I saw were shadows due to the angle of the Wing in relation to the sun.

Third, what I saw were side walls that didn't seem to flex and a "squared off" car tire that actually looked like a radius was present.

Fourth, what I heard were the sounds of peg feelers grinding away.

There is no way that a motorcycle tire mounted on a Wing would have as much of a contact patch to the ground as the car tire showed. Keeping in mind that the Wing is limited in cornering clearence, that car tire was never driven on its edge.

What would be interesting is for the same video producer to show what an OEM motorcycle tire on the Wing looks like when level and in the turns, you may think twice next time you're thinking of leaning to the feelers with about 1" to 2" of a contact patch.

I bet if these two videos were shown side by side and no one mentioned the words "car tires on a Wing", Wing owners would probably chose the car tire as the safer and more comfortable tire.

My mind is still open, and car tires on Wings are looking favorable and promising at this point.

 

[KA7W]

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[nedro]

Cptdenny and KA7W, I saw less that one inch of tire contacting the pavement on turns in that video. I'm I mistaken? How much do you see? Honestly, I'm asking just in case I'm not seeing what you guys are seeing.

Besides, do you know why Women are so bad at measuring?
Because they've always been told that a car tire has 9 inches of contact patch when leaned over.

 

[RayJ (Ala)]

I was not surprised at how little tread was making contact in the video. If I ever even entertained the idea of using a car tire on my wing this video made me dang sure that I will never do that now. Thanks for that. I guess common sense comes into play for me on this.

 

[ford68xl]

I read these posts as an interested observer. The one thing I have not read (doesn't mean it hasn't been posted) is the fact that the Boss Hoss used to come with car tires on them. I don't recall massive failure or fatalities being reported from the Boss Hoss camp. The other thing I have not read is the fact that all of the new custom "choppers" come with the huge steam roller rear tires on them. They are every bit as square as a car tire. Have you ever seen how little tread is touching when one of those are in a turn? Haven't seen any reports of mass fatalities due to tires from the custom bike makers either. Not sure if I'll ever go to a car tire on my wing, but I did hear pegs scraping with a car tire in that video, and I have yet to scrape my pegs with a MC tire. Seems the car tire has enough grip for my style of riding.

 

[Douglas]

If I understand it correctly, one of the differences between car tires and MC tires is the stickiness (read softness) of the MC ones.
The car tire may or may not have a larger footprint when leaned over - could be splashed water on the car tire when measured after running through a puddle, but the motorcycle tire will have extra grip per mm as well as the correct tread pattern. (We're not talking racing slicks here I hope).
It costs more for the MC tires but we
did spend 17-20 large for the bikes. We shouldn't be more worried about buying a tire than safety. BTW (my own paranoid choice as I usually go two up) I change tires well before the warning bars-I want to be able to ride through a river safely. I'm happy with 5-7K miles/ tire.

.02

Douglas

 

[Dorian_Blue]

Man, I just watched that video and it was an eye opener for me. I didn't realize that their would be so little contact in the tight curves. This was done in a parking lot doing figure eights, so contact patch didn't really matter all that much. But hauling along Hwy 36 scraping pegs at 50 mph would be quite an adventure on those car tires. I think I want more than just a corner of a car tire with a firm sidewall protecting me from sliding over the cliffs.

That was quite an eye opener. Thanks for posting it. Those that want to use them, cool! They are very "rebel" looking and can save you quite a few bucks over the span of a few years. And I don't think aggressive sport style motorcyclists that are riding Gold Wings are going to allow themselves to be misled by the herd that is endorsing these things.

 

[spdnwing01]

Whoa!

Was someone actually bashing Fred H. Whoa guys.....Fred has made a big contribution to this website. Please let me remind you that he has probably torn this bike apart as many times as Rolls Royce did with their cars back in the day. LOL I am sure if Honda called him, he could probably fix all there mess ups. But here nor there, please leave Fred out of this....LOL!


Thanks again for those DVD's awhile back Fred.........They have paid for themselves several times over!

 

[FlyTheWing]

First, what I saw was a far wider contact tire patch than a motrcycle tire had.

OK, I have not seen the video as I am on dial up, but will go to the Library tomorrow. At this point my most important question is, "Is the guy doing the video trying to prove a car tire is good or bad?"

If he is trying to show it is not good, then maybe he has the pressure at 70psi.

As Tom said, he runs his at 28psi and that may make a big difference.

OK, now Fred H. Just because he is good at stripping a motorcycle down and selling videos of it, does not make him a tire expert, or does it?

I would consider trying a car tire as I get little more than 12K from the rear 'stones, but would like to see something in real life as in 28psi and 60mph before ranting about relative safety between motorcycle and car tires.

If you KNOW what you are talking about then speak out, if you THINK you know, then keep it to yourself, is my motto.

Dave

 

[KA7W]

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[MotorcycleBoy]

Re: Whoa!

Was someone actually bashing Fred H. Whoa guys.....Fred has made a big contribution to this website. Please let me remind you that he has probably torn this bike apart as many times as Rolls Royce did with their cars back in the day. LOL I am sure if Honda called him, he could probably fix all there mess ups. But here nor there, please leave Fred out of this....LOL!


Thanks again for those DVD's awhile back Fred.........They have paid for themselves several times over!

Fred chose to include himself in the discussion by voicing his opinion. Just like he has the right to disagree with others, others have the right to disagree with him. If an individual wishes to be left out of a discussion then that person should not enter into the discussion. I know that decision is nearly impossible for some people to make but that is the way things work.

 

[Vetteman]

car tires

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compare1. ... ortValue=1

the above link is of about 12 different car tires, 195/55/16, w/ prices and owner critiques.
Buck

 

[skibis]

car tire

--- Wouldn't you guys rather talk about motor oil?? :lol: :lol:

 

[Terpen]

I've been in Sales and Sales Management all my life. I have a "rule" of selling. Sell yourself first, your company second, and your product third. What this means is that if you don't have credibility with a potential customer, you don't stand much chance of selling him something, no matter how good the product is.

It works in all aspects of life, especially forums. There are many opinions expressed on forums. Heck, many times there are even opposed "facts" on the same subject (or as an old friend used to say - "and that's a true fact").

I've been following Fred's threads on both this and the FJR forum for a long time. Anyone who does not give credibility to Fred's opinions probably should do a little homework. He probably knows more about how things work on motorcycles than the rest of us combined. I'm not saying to take everything he says as gospel, but I am saying that you should not spit into the wind or tug on superman's cape! :lol:

I hear ya JJ. I've employed many salesmen over the past 30 or so years. I heard this many times " a good salesman can sell anything". What I have found is a good product will sell it's self.

In no way do I claim to be a great rider or have superior knowledge of MC's or the Wing in particular even though I have been riding for close to 50 years. I will say, I have stripped it to the bare bones with the help of the service manual and so far haven't found the need for a video. No doubt they would be beneficial to some though. I don't think we have any young kids riding Wings here and just think it's a bit comical that someone would feel through their superior knowledge that they were obligated and had a responsibility to tell 50+ year old men how to ride their motorcycles. People do stupid stuff all the time. Like ride without helmets, proper gear, smoke and drink in excess but it certainly isn't my job or anyone else's to try and correct them. You'd probably get told to mind your own fkng business if you did. Next time you see an old man on a loud piped Harley with a doo rag for head gear, smokin a Red and drinkin a Bud, try and straighten him out and let us know how it goes. LOL
Opinions are like those round holes we all have, so throw'em out there but save the melodramatics for the kids.

BTW, I know for a fact that a least a couple of these posters are keeping this going just to see what kinda response they can get outta everyone that disagrees with them. I'm not sure they even believe a tenth of what they are posting. More like a devil's advocate. JMO

 

[jjsC6]

I've been in Sales and Sales Management all my life. I have a "rule" of selling. Sell yourself first, your company second, and your product third. What this means is that if you don't have credibility with a potential customer, you don't stand much chance of selling him something, no matter how good the product is.

It works in all aspects of life, especially forums. There are many opinions expressed on forums. Heck, many times there are even opposed "facts" on the same subject (or as an old friend used to say - "and that's a true fact").

I've been following Fred's threads on both this and the FJR forum for a long time. Anyone who does not give credibility to Fred's opinions probably should do a little homework. He probably knows more about how things work on motorcycles than the rest of us combined. I'm not saying to take everything he says as gospel, but I am saying that you should not spit into the wind or tug on superman's cape! :lol:

I hear ya JJ. I've employed many salesmen over the past 30 or so years. I heard this many times " a good salesman can sell anything". What I have found is a good product will sell it's self.

In no way do I claim to be a great rider or have superior knowledge of MC's or the Wing in particular even though I have been riding for close to 50 years. I will say, I have stripped it to the bare bones with the help of the service manual and so far haven't found the need for a video. No doubt they would be beneficial to some though. I don't think we have any young kids riding Wings here and just think it's a bit comical that someone would feel through their superior knowledge that they were obligated and had a responsibility to tell 50+ year old men how to ride their motorcycles. People do stupid stuff all the time. Like ride without helmets, proper gear, smoke and drink in excess but it certainly isn't my job or anyone else's to try and correct them. You'd probably get told to mind your own fkng business if you did. Next time you see an old man on a loud piped Harley with a doo rag for head gear, smokin a Red and drinkin a Bud, try and straighten him out and let us know how it goes. LOL
Opinions are like those round holes we all have, so throw'em out there but save the melodramatics for the kids.

BTW, I know for a fact that a least a couple of these posters are keeping this going just to see what kinda response they can get outta everyone that disagrees with them. I'm not sure they even believe a tenth of what they are posting. More like a devil's advocate. JMO

You are correct. It is not our job to tell someone that what he is doing is wrong. But if he gets on a public forum and tells someone that it's just as safe to ride without a helmet as with one, I don't think very many of us would let it go without disagreeing, would we?

I don't think someone has to actually try something to have a valid opinion about it based upon educated studying of how it works. I don't have to die from smoking to have an opinion on whether or not smoking increases the risk of dieing from lung cancer - do I?

Like others have said, it's a forum, and we all have a right to state our opinion. I will disagree with others - and have many times. The only thing I ever regret is if I get sucked into making personal assaults. If I do that, then I will not complain when someone strikes back.

 

[KA7W]

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[Terpen]

You are right again, Jim. Maybe I need to put some of these little thingy bobs :lol: :lol:

I like most everyone and like hearing what they have to say. Just like messin with and bustin those that take themselves too seriously.

Oh, on the helmet no helmet thing, don't get that started again. One of the boards, may not have been this one, there was folks claiming just that. Helmets cause head and neck injuries. Glad I had mine on when I hit the ground though.