[Big_Bird]

BTW, I saw yesterday that an update for my 50S v01 is FINALLY available. Went from 1.3.1 to 1.4 just now. But since the Sena website has stopped even pretending that those models exist and offers no firmware history that isn't v10, I have no idea what it includes. Will need to send a support request for that. I'll tilt at the AA/ACP windmill while I'm at it.

 

[Navy Gator]

BTW, I saw yesterday that an update for my 50S v01 is FINALLY available. Went from 1.3.1 to 1.4 just now. But since the Sena website has stopped even pretending that those models exist and offers no firmware history that isn't v10, I have no idea what it includes. Will need to send a support request for that. I'll tilt at the AA/ACP windmill while I'm at it.

Once updated, with the phone and headset connected via BT, go into the Sena motorcycle app
Let it connect to the headset
Go to settings ( gear )
Scroll through and see if mesh 3.0 is listed

 

[sunny_gv01]

BTW, I saw yesterday that an update for my 50S v01 is FINALLY available. Went from 1.3.1 to 1.4 just now. But since the Sena website has stopped even pretending that those models exist and offers no firmware history that isn't v10, I have no idea what it includes. Will need to send a support request for that. I'll tilt at the AA/ACP windmill while I'm at it.

Thanks for the notification

I just updated my headset ... and now the old 50S V1 is recognized by the Wave app as 50S and not generic Sena Device.

Also, now I can start/stop wave from the my headset button. Start: double press the mesh button to turn on wave, single press stop Wave. Double pressing the jog dial does not activate wave.

I also see the 50S battery level and the Mesh status & channel on the Wave App.

Also, I still see all 9 mesh channels in the Sena app.

Good Job Sena now waiting for Mesh 3.0 on the 50S V1 ...

 

[Navy Gator]

Thanks for the notification

I just updated my headset ... and now the old 50S V1 is recognized by the Wave app as 50S and not generic Sena Device.

Also, now I can start/stop wave from the my headset button. Start: double press the mesh button to turn on wave, single press stop Wave. Double pressing the jog dial does not activate wave.

I also see the 50S battery level and the Mesh status & channel on the Wave App.

Also, I still see all 9 mesh channels in the Sena app.

Good Job Sena now waiting for Mesh 3.0 on the 50S V1 ...

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with the phone and headset connected via BT, go into the Sena motorcycle app
Let it connect to the headset
Go to settings ( gear )
Scroll through and see if mesh 3.0 is listed

 

[Big_Bird]

with the phone and headset connected via BT, go into the Sena motorcycle app
Let it connect to the headset
Go to settings ( gear )
Scroll through and see if mesh 3.0 is listed

It is not.

 

[sunny_gv01]

It is not.

Guys Rejoice .... a new FW update 1.5 for the 50S V1 just dropped and it has Mesh 3.0 ................. yepieeeeeeeeee

Number of mesh channels reduced to 6

Anything else I should check...

 

[Navy Gator]

Guys Rejoice .... a new FW update 1.5 for the 50S V1 just dropped and it has Mesh 3.0 ................. yepieeeeeeeeee

Number of mesh channels reduced to 6

Anything else I should check...

Wave intercom integration?

 

[sunny_gv01]

Wave intercom integration?

same as the FW 1.4... double tap on the mesh button turns on wave, single press turns it off.

Double tapping the jog dial does not activate Wave.

Also, I noticed that if a music app is playing, and you turn wave on and of form the headset, the music remains ok. if you turn off wave form the app, some times the music volume drops to very low. You have to pause and play the music for it to play with the correct volume.

Unfortunately I updated the headset after I came back form a ride today so could not test the Mesh 3.0

Further, wave is noisy .. the ambient noise cancellation on Mesh 2.0 is much better than Wave. On Mesh 2.0 I can hardly hear my friends bike or ambient noise (like collar rubbing rustling on helmet) , on Wave all those noises are very clear and loud. So since we were 2 of us in close range, we dropped back to Mesh 2.0

 

[Navy Gator]

same as the FW 1.4... , single press turns it off.

How long of a "press" - tap or hold for 1 sec?

Mesh Button Functions

• Tap Once: Turns Mesh on and Off
• Double tap: Turns Wave on. Single "press" turns wave off.
• 1 Sec Press: Mic Mute on and off
• 3 Sec Press: Group Mesh on and off

 

[Navy Gator]

f/w 1.4...

Table on Post #57 is updated.

What shows up in Wave? Sena Device or actual headset?

 

[sunny_gv01]

Table on Post #57 is updated.

What shows up in Wave? Sena Device or actual headset?

Sena 50S, also battery level and mesh channel.

 

[Navy Gator]

Sena 50S, also battery level and mesh channel.

Full integration!

 

[sunny_gv01]

How long of a "press" - tap or hold for 1 sec?
It is a tap. Don't need to hold.

Mesh Button Functions

• Tap Once: Turns Mesh on and Off
• Double tap: Turns Wave on. Single "press" turns wave off.
• 1 Sec Press: Mic Mute on and off
• 3 Sec Press: Group Mesh on and off

How long of a "press" - tap or hold for 1 sec?
It is a tap. Don't need to hold.

Note, if you tap once and turn on Mesh. You can't double tap to turn on wave. To turn on wave in this scenario, you need to turn it on from the app.

Double tap when Mesh is on , puts you in channel selection menu.

I am not sure if Mesh fall back occurs automatically when you turn on wave. IE you turn on Wave from the headset without turning on the Mesh. Now if the Wave disconnects, will the Headsets fall back on Mesh network?

No way to test it as of now ...

 

[Big_Bird]

Just saw this. Thanks @sunny_gv01 . I'll update before I head out for a ride. I'm going to swing by the cherry blossoms in full bloom then take my tire in for repair. I may get to test it out.

 

[Big_Bird]

I got a little testing in yesterday with my tire repair run. Learned a few niggling little things. Great ride but otherwise one of those days, Wave included. Sena 50s 01 w/ 1.5 firmware, Pixel 8 Pro current.

1. The Sena app defaults to use 3.0 mesh. So I couldn't mesh with my regular mesh buddy on her 30k. Until I realized the setting was there (c/o Navy Gator's earlier shout out of that feature) and checked it off to go slumming with the mesh 2.0 riff raff. KEY SAFETY TIP: don't cross the beams check that setting after updating if you need to slum it with the legacy mesh crowd.

2. Why were we trying to mesh, you might ask? Because Wave intercom was unusable. She could hear me fine but I was getting her in staccato half-syllable clips. We connected easily, could see each other on the little map, but I couldn't make out anything useful on the audio side. Switched to phone to link up (on the fly on 395 SB) then switched to mesh to discover (1) above. Solved it when we stopped. Part of this could be her not up-to-date 30k so no red star cluster from me here; it just didn't work for me today and was far worse than my prior effort with the same person, except then had firmware 1.4 and all was usable just with an echo. Though I note I was getting similar intermittent garbling of the little Wave status voice in fiddling with on/off this morning (3 below), sometimes clear, sometimes it sounded like the Borg. Side note: we were in the heart of DC, plenty of cell signal. Still didn't see any other randos in the Wave circle of trust.

3. On the Wave on/off clickology. It is context sensitive. With Sena on, mesh off, the mesh button double tap turns on Wave if you have the Wave app up on your phone at the moment. But...
-- If the app isn't on, you get a nudge to turn on the Wave app. My phone was in my pocket on the highway (Wave app open but phone not awake with Wave on top) so that was not the answer I was looking for. I played with that this morning to see about the various flavors of not fully woke, got some activations in lesser stages of woke but also some inconsistencies and the app crashed a few times. Decided it was time for coffee. So I don't have the final answer, any app bug notwithstanding. But it doesn't activate from the dead.
-- If mesh is on when you double tap, you go to mesh channel setting. Not Wave on. You need to single tap mesh off before you can double tap Wave on.

BTW, I was about to leave the shop and saw the tire was on backwards. So got a little more time milling about a motorcycle shop. It was hell.

 

[Big_Bird]

I'm curious if @sunny_gv01 or others get this corrupted audio. With 50s v01 or other device.

I made a tape of some of the garbled voice. It's a WMA audio file, shared via Google Drive at the link below. Not sure if this will transmit.

Anyway, when you double click Wave on from the 50s, there are two alerts:
1) Wave intercom on. (You don't hear that, only #2, if you activate via the phone on-screen Wave button)
2) Joined wave.

The first one is always very clear in the pristine Sena lady voice. The second one is often corrupted. Varying levels of disruption in the three cycles captured in the clip. Yesterday I got a few clear ones but a LOT of worse corrupt ones. I deleted and reinstalled the Wave app, I can almost kid myself it got a little less bad, but probably not and it still isn't right. BTW, the intercom voice from another rider from my Friday test was a different kind of disruption, worse.

 

[sunny_gv01]

I'm curious if @sunny_gv01 or others get this corrupted audio. With 50s v01 or other device.

I made a tape of some of the garbled voice. It's a WMA audio file, shared via Google Drive at the link below. Not sure if this will transmit.

Anyway, when you double click Wave on from the 50s, there are two alerts:
1) Wave intercom on. (You don't hear that, only #2, if you activate via the phone on-screen Wave button)
2) Joined wave.

The first one is always very clear in the pristine Sena lady voice. The second one is often corrupted. Varying levels of disruption in the three cycles captured in the clip. Yesterday I got a few clear ones but a LOT of worse corrupt ones. I deleted and reinstalled the Wave app, I can almost kid myself it got a little less bad, but probably not and it still isn't right. BTW, the intercom voice from another rider from my Friday test was a different kind of disruption, worse.

i just tested it and my voices were clear. I do get that weird bad voice occasionally.

The other riders voice are 50% of time clear, 50% of time bad.

Also, the noise cancellation in wave mode is non-existent, so all sorts of voices bleed over to the voice channel.

Finally, in the Mesh Mode the voice traffic between riders is on Mesh, bypassing the phone. In wave mode the voice traffic is over the phones data channel and I am assuming that the voice uses the phones Bluetooth call channel (HPF/HSP profiles) top push the conversations to the headset. The BT Phone channel is low quality as compared to the BT Music channel (A2DP), so the voice quality is also degraded at this point.

 

[Navy Gator]

Wondering if there are interactions between Wave, Mesh 3.0, and Mesh 2.0 firmware modules that are causing issues.

Just finished a two day ride with two other riders. 2018, 2023, 2023

Three Sena 60s running 1.3.1
Everyone using an iPhone 15 with iOS 18.3.2 in wireless ACP configuration. Carlinkit wireless adapters.
Every one had modular headsets (Shoei, Bell, HJC)

Didn't try Wave for several reasons

Used Mesh 3.0 intercom
One headset kept at factory settings (Mic 3, VOX 3) for baseline reference

• Mic setting of 2: Didn't trigger mic on when modules were up at highway speeds
• High cross winds did trigger at least one of the mics on. Suspect it was the headset with factory settings. Needs more investigation.
• Factory setting (reference) headset. Other riders heard all intercom transmissions as very loud, often sounding over driven. Occasionally garbled. Very possible that the rider was talking excessively loud. Needs more investigation.
• Other headsets tried VOX sensitivity settings at 1, 2, 3, and 4. Garbled 50% or more of the time requiring repeating transmissions. Helmet modules down, visors down, and windshields up.

Did not try Mesh 2.0

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[Big_Bird]

With regular mesh, most of the issues I've had with others boil down to mic position and/or speaking volume. I tell them to use a decent talking voice, not soft, semi-loud but not yelling, like you're talking to elderly who aren't completely gone yet. Then there are those e-gremlins that just garble things and you have to shift+F9+backslash or throw salt over your shoulder.

As far as Wave is concerned, I was cautiously optimistic and greatly value the aim. Now I see it is yet another Sena public alpha test, so I'll let it fester and revisit in 6 months or so.

 

[Navy Gator]

With regular mesh, most of the issues I've had with others boil down to mic position and/or speaking volume. I tell them to use a decent talking voice, not soft, semi-loud but not yelling, like you're talking to elderly who aren't completely gone yet. Then there are those e-gremlins that just garble things and you have to shift+F9+backslash or throw salt over your shoulder.

As far as Wave is concerned, I was cautiously optimistic and greatly value the aim. Now I see it is yet another Sena public alpha test, so I'll let it fester and revisit in 6 months or so.

Haven't had near the severity or number of these issues with Mesh 2.0.
Wondering if is 3.0 related or 60S related. More research to do.

Totally agree with you about Wave. Not ready for beta testing, much less prime time.