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15410-MFJ-D02 Made in ChIna??

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On a whim I went a local stealership today. Looked to see how much of a markup they have on AmsOil "for metrics". They want $15 a quart... ok Looks like I can check that off the shopping list.
Next was to ask the parts guy for an oil filter for my 2012 GL. He hands me a 15410-MFJ-D02 and says they are $16 each. I spun it around to double check the part number and on the plastic wrap there's the correct number with the words Made in China. I put it back on the counter. The PG says "What isn't made in China". My response was "the oil filter I put on my Wing, that's what".
Are things THAT bad that Honda has to farm their oil filters out to China? If I pay $16 a pop for a filter, its damn well gonna be made here.

Rant over....
 
#4 ·
Yup, those $3.00 Super Tech filters are not too bad but the Honda Filter does have more filter media.
 
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So , I just used my last Honda filter, part number 15410-MFJ-D01. We all know Honda will change part numbers for any reason. Is it likely that the one ending in "01" is their "Assembled in USA" supplier and the one ending in "02" is a Chinese supplier? Need to check dealer stock and grab the "01" if use of Assembled in USA Honda oil filters is important to you.
 
#11 ·
I had a riding buddy have his K&N filter start leaking mid-ride, days after changing the filter. There have been many reports of fake/copycat K&N branded filters and even more of the nut on the filter itself breaking off.
I started using the Purolator PL14612, changing out the filter every oil change. Same price, $9.99 off Amazon. More peace of mind.
 
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"Are things THAT bad that Honda has to farm their oil filters out to China? If I pay $16 a pop for a filter, its damn well gonna be made here."

It wasn't that long ago that the Honda filters were $10, then $12, now $16 and made in China. Who is making the killing here? Cheaper production source and higher price. Won't be long before they are $20!
 
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On a whim I went a local stealership today. Looked to see how much of a markup they have on AmsOil "for metrics". They want $15 a quart... ok Looks like I can check that off the shopping list.
Next was to ask the parts buy for an oil filter for my 2012 GL. He hands me a 15410-MFJ-D02 and says they are $16 each. I spun it around to double check the part number and on the plastic wrap there's the correct number with the words Made in China. I put it back on the counter. The PG says "What isn't made in China". My response was "the oil filter I put on my Wing, that's what".
Are things THAT bad that Honda has to farm their oil filters out to China? If I pay $16 a pop for a filter, its damn well gonna be made here.

Rant over....
Three times the filter media and a quality check valve vs 1/3 the filter media and a plastic check valve. Now which do I want filtering the oil in my Wings engine? If we made something comparable here at home for a similar price, then I'm with the MIA crowd. For now, seeing that level of quality, I don't care where it's made. Using anything less is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Good luck in your quest.
 
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That's for sure. Plus, Honda probably did us all a favor by having it made over there. If it was made here, the filter might sell for $30.
 
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There's a motorcycle filters equivalent chart by CALSI and it shows quality filters that could be used alternates vs the OEM. I'll copy paste a link when I can get to my PC. Oil Filter Cross Reference


K&N filters with welded nut plate...... people have gone down because the weld fractured and then the bike dumped oil all over the back tire. Somebody is going to get killed.

 
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#20 ·
Okay, so wait a sec... :sneaky:

There's two (and only two) schools of thought here.

1. Honda filter - best on planet Earth!

-or-

2. Filter made in China? What was Honda thinking when they made that decision!

Interesting discussion on the topic here:


Post #17 has an interesting nugget of wisdom.

More here:


Specifically, see post #7.

Finally, play some games with substitutability...



Caveat: Just because it's on this list doesn't necessarily imply suitability for use in any given application.
 
#22 ·
Today was the my first oil change with the new to me wing. I went for it without removing the lower plastic. It was easy peazy. My torque wrench and socket didn't fit so the calibrated elbow was used.

Well... so much for the made here thing... I ended up going with a HiFlow filter. I'm the 2nd owner and the shop that serviced the bike before me used Amsoil and a HiFlow filter (with the nut on top).

I bought the oil direct from Amsoil, they offered free shipping for orders over $100. Two bikes need changing so, free shipping sealed the purchase. The filters and the combo wrench from Amazon. At least something came from the little guy..

To my surprise the Big Bike parts combo wrench fits the OEM honda filters (from my cars) perfectly. BUT>>> the HiFlow filter is a tiny bit larger so the wrench just grabs the very top of the flutes. For all I know its the thickness of the paint.

The oil and filter are changed just in time for the rain to hit for the next few days, oh joy. :/
 
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I had to buy an oil filter for my 2015 wing. I elected to purchase it on line. I searched several vendors and noted that the part number for the filter I installed was different then the part number for a "replacement" filter.

After searching various sites, it appears that the part number had changed. Next was an attempt to not purchase one that was made in China. I sort of thought, just based on the words, that if the filter was a Toyo Roki it was not made in China.

So, I found a site with the filter and a picture and it said Toyo Roki.

I Purchased three (I have another bike that uses the same filters) and they came in today. All are labeled as made in China. So.... In the future I will have to travel some 30 miles to a Honda dealer so I can lay my hands on my filter before buying. I did consider sending these back to the dealer but....... I will just have to hope that since the Honda name is on the filter, they are doing some quality control reviews to ensure their name is not ruined.

I also added a picture of the "wrapping" for the filer I just used. It says "assembled" in USA. So....

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First, I do not wish to support a fundamentally corrupt government in charge in China. Second, there is the issue with quality control. The notion that Honda is responsible for the quality (made to Honda Standards) is a plus therefore I can accept it. However the first line is the important part.

Separate case. I was purchasing 1x12's for shelving at Lowes. They were to be eight feet long. They had two types. One was un painted for (lets say) $10 a board. The other was $12 and painted. It was several years ago so I did not inspect the tags before purchase. The painted boards were made in China. And they, unlike the non-painted boards were made of pieces of wood glued together and then painted. Know how I found out, I had to cut one board and noted the ends looked strange and did separate under some minor force.

Moral, if it is made in China it needs to be securitized and verified if you want to ensure quality. Yes, a lot of stuff we purchase is made in China, the reasons are known but I won't mention them here.

But riddle me this Batman, what does it imply when someone can put together pieces of wood to make a plank that is 1x12 and then paint that plank and then ship that plank to the states and then transport that plank 3,000 plus miles to South Carolina and sell it for just 20% more than a plank cut here in the states? The answer is very cheap labor, very poor quality, ect.

Regarding the quality of autos in the 70's and the "made in Japan" notion. Yes there were some issues at first with "Made in Japan" stuff. But Japan was sort of a democratic country after the war and people were free and they worked for what they wanted. They were free.

And in 1977 or 78 (I forget) I purchased a Honda Accord. It was good and it was a reliable.
 
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I assume new Honda’s come with Honda filters. When your Honda dealer changes your oil they use a Honda filter. In both cases they’re using Chinese made Honda filters. I don’t see either one of them stressing over the country of origin. If the factory was worried, they’d change their source.
 
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If you cut it apart, you can compare it to these pictures. They are of a Super Tech and a Honda 15410-MFH-D01.
I used a large pipe cutter to open these.
 
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#31 ·
Just for the record. I found this website with the the older number filter but for several dollars more a filter.


You will note the filter is 15410-MFH-D01 (delta being the ones I purchased were D02). It also costs about $2.00 more than the 15410-MFH-D02.

I made an assumption which was a mistake that the newer filter was the preferred filter (more work done, better design, ect) but I now believe the delta is that the D02 is made in China (all parts and assembled in China) while the D01 is assembled in the USA but with parts from unknown places.

I have considered sending the filters back for a refund but....... I have a few more days to consider that.
 
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It's a good filter. I have not used one and have not opened one up but at $18.45 each, I think I will stick with Honda OEM.

Something interesting, I went to the link and on that site, it says the 2017 Honda Gold Wing has an oil capacity of 4.86 qts. They must have it confused with the 2018+ Gold Wing.
 
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