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How many Civics do you think they make as compared to Goldwings? I seriously doubt they would see sales increases sufficient to offset the cost of adding multiple color options. I mean, I agree that it would be nice, but comparing auto vs. motorcycle production options just isn't valid in my mind. This is especially true for an overseas manufacturing line. If they were making them here in the US like they used to, maybe that would work in our favor.
 
How many Civics do you think they make as compared to Goldwings? I seriously doubt they would see sales increases sufficient to offset the cost of adding multiple color options. I mean, I agree that it would be nice, but comparing auto vs. motorcycle production options just isn't valid in my mind. This is especially true for an overseas manufacturing line. If they were making them here in the US like they used to, maybe that would work in our favor.
I agree. Nice as it would be, the practical considerations win out, particularly in this down motorcycle market. The car side has many more dealers in most areas, and they easily swap cars. If a customer wants a Civic in a color a dealer doesn't have, the dealer gets it from another dealer ten miles away; the desired-colored car is driven over, an alternate-colored car driven back. On the motorcycle side, the desired-color motorcycle might be a couple of hundred miles away. Two motorcycles would have to be shipped. Dealers would have to stock--and pay for, and pay interest charges on--many more Goldwings, many of which would end up sitting on showroom floors or in warehouses. Edit: Add @Brian_Fenner's point, below: The cost of manufacturing, storing, and shipping spare parts in multiple colors for multiple-year models over years.

To accommodate the manufacture and distribution of multiple Goldwing models in multiple colors, Honda would have to manufacture them in far higher numbers than they could hope to sell; the sales numbers just aren't there to justify that level of production.

After WWII (i don't know about before), it was a thing to order a car, tweak it with just the options you wanted, wait until you were notified it was ready, then go to Detroit to pick it up and drive it home. It's obvioulsy impractical to go to Japan to pick up a new Goldwing and drive it home, but an order system where we could order a specific color might work for those willing to pay extra for it and wait months to get it, but it's an open question whether those numbers would attract a company the size of Honda. Anyone who wants a different color than Honda is offering can go to a paint shop.

Honda want to sell as many motorcycles as they possibly can. It's a corporate imperative; it's in Honda's corporate DNA They're not limiting colors because they want to; they're limiting colors because they can't figure out how to do it that makes money. (Or that makes enough money because don't forget opportunity cost.)

Besides, whatever color I get, even if I wasn't crazy about it initially, after a while that color becomes the color of my motorcycle.
 
Discussion starter · #63 ·
Honda Civic Sales:
Average around 300K units annually, give or take.
Color choices: 6 (take your word for it)
1 color choice per 50,000 units sold

Honda Goldwing Sales:
Who knows, but lets guess at 25K units annually (way high according to a VIN numbers thread a few years ago)
Color choices: Basically 2 choices (Black and Blue)
1 color choice per 12,500 units sold

So, playing with numbers the Goldwing actually has more color choices than the Civic per units sold.

While it would be nice to have more color choices, I'm sure Honda knows what it's doing.......they've been selling motorcycles for 65 years.
More color choices means they need to stock every single painted spare part in multiple colors for years........for a product that has very low volume sales.
Not mention distribution of multiple color new bikes to dealers and try to predict what color sells and what won't, risking colors that won't sell very well and sit on showroom floors.

Volume of units sold is huge.......

Not trying to defend Honda.........just trying to possibly understand their logic.
Overall, I'm just happy Honda continues to make the Goldwing at all........not a huge seller or profit maker for Honda IMHO.


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HOR will have one painted almost any color you want for ~ $3,000. If you want candy or metal flake it'll probably run more.

I'm happy with the Uranium Pearl Green they did on mine 3 yrs ago. If I had it to do over again, I would get a different color...maybe a rosewood or a sea foam green. Saw those colors on some vintage cars last weekend at a car show. They look nice. I also liked the copper color of the mid-80s Caprice Classic I owned for a few years.
 
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The Honda website does not show the photos very well.......looks like the Ultra Blue metallic may be a two-tone with a darker blue?
Found this from 2022 European model release......Zooming in on the USA release pictures I think (hope) the USA model is the same. Looks nice IMHO.
Trunk, rear saddlebags, fuel filler area, front nose and lower side panels are darker blue.

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The Honda website does not show the photos very well.......looks like the Ultra Blue metallic may be a two-tone with a darker blue?
Found this from 2022 European model release......Zooming in on the USA release pictures I think (hope) the USA model is the same. Looks nice IMHO.
Trunk, rear saddlebags, fuel filler area, front nose and lower side panels are darker blue.
I like that. Almost a 3-tone really but that lighter color might just be considered "striping." I like it. (y)
 
Black or blue? That's it? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Honda! On the Road Glide alone, HD gives you 8 color choices plus a choice of chrome or black trim.
Beyond the colors, I'm not crazy about this 'comparison.' It kinda makes it looks like there IS a comparison bewtween a Goldwing and a Road Glide. As WE all know, there IS NO COMPARING a Harley with a Goldwing, right ?? Yes.
 
Beyond the colors, I'm not crazy about this 'comparison.' It kinda makes it looks like there IS a comparison bewtween a Goldwing and a Road Glide. As WE all know, there IS NO COMPARING a Harley with a Goldwing, right ?? Yes.
Let's see......they are both popular heavyweight touring motorcycles that perform their intended purpose admirably, yet in a different fashion, so yes, there is a comparison to be made. ;)

And Harley still offers more colors, more touring platforms, more accessories and a better dealer network than most, if not all other brands.......weather you like the marquee or not.
 
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Are those weird suede seat surfaces still with us for 2022?

If kind of looks like they may have ended their production run…. But not sure.
Pictures look like the 18/19/20 seats, but little hard to tell......
Should know for sure in about a month or so.
 
Are those weird suede seat surfaces still with us for 2022?

If kind of looks like they may have ended their production run…. But not sure.
Here's a screenshot of the saddle from the 2022 Gold Wing gallery of Honda Canada's website. It looks like 'normal' (not faux suede) vinyl, as I opined earlier.

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I think the new ultra blue metallic is pretty nice looking......looking close it does have some striping on it too.

That said, they need to have at least 4-5 color choices like in the earlier Goldwing days...........and IMHO matte-black is not a color choice. :cautious:\

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Matte black is a color choice as a canvas for a Christopher Nolan inspired "BatBike".... lol
 
Well, they could say that about the Navigation and both would be lies. Maybe the audio system has the latest and greatest bells and whistles in capabilities, but it sounds terrible. Radio reception is bad. The prior model blows the new one away as far as audio sound quality goes. I won't even cover the poor navigation...
My 2019 GW Tour has awesome sounding Audio... And my radio reception is much better than my previous 2013 GL1800 with premium audio and Nav... I also use my USB for MP3's and Sirius XM... All have pristine, clear audio with no distortion at all... Even at highway speeds I can hear it loudly and clearly... I don't ride with a passenger so no need to hear about inadequate audio for them in the rear... Even though I can hear it from the rear and front with no issues...
 
really?? What's missing? mine on my 21 model navigates excellently.. It requires some getting used to to learn all the features. Other than an altimeter and a volt meter (Which are not really parts of a navigation system, but included in the competitors systems) mine needs nothing more. I put in any destination, save it to favorites, connect the output to my helmet and so far, it has flawlessly guided me to my destination. Even, when I leave the suggested route, for whatever reason, it finds my destination with a little re-calculation every time. So, where's the beef?
And what is "state of the art"? Find every mudhole on the planet? This is a street/touring mount....It ends where the pavement does...YMMV
So we're hoping for ACC... personally, I'm not so sure I'd want it. On my Challenger, it was a pricey option and it cranked on the brakes when cars were slowing in front of me to turn, though I knew they'd be long gone by the time I got there and there was no need for braking: caught me by surprise more than once. Typically I just switch lanes if a car takes too long to get out of my way. I could also adjust the distance to the car in front of me. Adjustability is a great idea, but even the farthest adjustment was too close for my liking. So even when I did use it, I was traveling rather close. Maybe I'm nitpicking and maybe Honda's potential design would work better, but I'm not sure I'd want it. I certainly didn't like it on the Dodge I just sold.
Sounds like you were using cruise control on SURFACE streets rather than the highway/freeway... Why?? That's not for Cruise Control and using the ACC feature...
 
Sounds like you were using cruise control on SURFACE streets rather than the highway/freeway... Why?? That's not for Cruise Control and using the ACC feature...
I use cruise everywhere.. Would use it in my drive way if it were long enough:cool:
 
I think the new ultra blue metallic is pretty nice looking......looking close it does have some striping on it too.

That said, they need to have at least 4-5 color choices like in the earlier Goldwing days...........and IMHO matte-black is not a color choice. :cautious:\

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We used to call "matt black" primer....
 
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